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Eli
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Message 67 of 722 (682083)
11-29-2012 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by kofh2u
11-28-2012 8:35 PM


kofh2u writes:
And the "Flood" seems too analogous to the explosion of Modern man Out-of-Africa, 40 thousand years ago when, indeed, all other types of humanoids went extinct. The "flood" probably refers to the spreading of Modern Homo sapiens to the tops of the mountains and around all the world, as if water gushing across the whole land.
No analogy there.
Out of Africa theory starts 160,000 years ago, not 40,000. And no, not all other "humanoids" went extinct 40,000 years ago. And, no, Modern sapiens did not "flood" the whole world.
On the other side of it, human evolution doesn't have anything analogous to all humans dying except 8 people or anything similar to the releasing of any doves or a rainbow covenant.
There is not anything relevant to the topic under discussion in your post, either.

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Message 70 of 722 (682100)
11-29-2012 10:13 PM
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11-29-2012 10:07 PM


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Message 73 of 722 (682107)
11-29-2012 10:27 PM
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11-29-2012 10:23 PM


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Message 76 of 722 (682113)
11-29-2012 11:08 PM
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11-29-2012 10:50 PM


Re: Really?
Why are you ad homming the mods?
They hold everyone to the same standard.

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Message 77 of 722 (682114)
11-29-2012 11:15 PM


Here is what I need to know about any gods that I may be made in the image of:
Are they good? Yes.
How do I know? Because I am good.
Basic assumptions:
1) I am generally good.
2) I am made as an image (reflection) of some supreme existence
Conclusion: My existence and general nature is a testimony that one or more supreme beings are good.
I will, however, throw your kid in front of a bus to save my own. "Good" and "Evil" are relative.

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Message 81 of 722 (682118)
11-29-2012 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by jaywill
11-29-2012 11:26 PM


Re: Really?
They cannot reach God to criticize Him without first standing for a great part upon Judeo / Christian morality which has so heavily enfluenced world civilization.
Yeah, you had me up until you said this.
The human condition influenced Judeo/Christian models of morality as well as pagan and secular models way before Christianity.
The specific Christian structure is arbitrary when it comes to a universal understanding of family, and by extension, neighbor.
Morality is a byproduct of altruistic behaviors that cultivated the first civilizations and the codification of acceptible behavior in order to succeed as a people.
This is the foundation for all morality, including Christianity (which is quite late to the ball, btw). Christianity is not the foundation for morality. Shared goals of harmonious existence were the motivation for morals way before the particular form of Christian expression and would exist even if Christianity never did.

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Message 82 of 722 (682119)
11-29-2012 11:42 PM
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11-29-2012 11:28 PM


Re: Really?
I haven't been suspended because, when they warn me, I stop rather than ignoring warnings, like you do.
Here's a hint: extinction of hominids is not related to the subject of the nature of God as expressed in the Christian bible.
If you find yourself discussing hominids when the subject is regarding the content of the bible, you are way off topic.
Why? Because hominids aren't discussed in the bible.
Not that hard to figure out.

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Message 85 of 722 (682122)
11-29-2012 11:56 PM
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11-29-2012 11:36 PM


kofh2u writes:
Good for you is Selfishness, while good mankind, in general, is altruistic, charitable, and Christian.
Do unto others as you would have done to you...
What is the motivating fator in this proposal?
Self Interest.
Altruism is born out of self interest AND it is good.
There is only one fundamental difference between altruism and selfishness: the ability to improve oneself through the improvement of others rather than improving oneself to the detriment of others.
Altruism is simply a perfected form of selfishness that extends its benefit beyond self.

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Message 86 of 722 (682123)
11-29-2012 11:58 PM
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11-29-2012 11:54 PM


Re: Really?
The opening post doesn't claim anything about evolution. That is why your unscientific claims about 40,000 years are off topic.

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Message 88 of 722 (682126)
11-30-2012 12:11 AM
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11-30-2012 12:08 AM


Re: Really?
None of that is in the bible.
You are way off topic and also out of your gourd. I wonder how long it will be before you are banned. Not very if you keep it up like this.
Edited by Eli, : No reason given.

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Message 90 of 722 (682128)
11-30-2012 12:21 AM
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11-30-2012 12:17 AM


Re: Really?
No, you miss the point, which is that you can start your own damn threads instead of hijacking others, which is very poor forum etiquette.
Are you TRYING to get banned?

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Message 92 of 722 (682130)
11-30-2012 12:30 AM
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11-30-2012 12:22 AM


Re: Really?
You can't even tell the difference between what is on and off topic. Your inability to think critically in such a rudimentary way makes it self evident that being able to "read comprehensively" just isn't in the cards for you, son.
You really are the last person in the forum to be deciding what contitutes comprehensive reading. You seem to have a major learning disability.

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Message 95 of 722 (682133)
11-30-2012 2:01 AM
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11-30-2012 12:51 AM


Re: Really?
There wasn't an extermination 40,000 years ago and no, the biblical flood is not about evolution.
You are not on topic.

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Message 153 of 722 (682832)
12-05-2012 3:58 PM
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12-05-2012 3:52 PM


Re: Enough blame and salvation to go around
Well, it is a basic concept that we don't accept claims without evidence.
The assumption that the biblical god does not exist is well-founded in that there has been no evidence to presuppose anything else.
That's why.

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Message 169 of 722 (682890)
12-05-2012 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by jaywill
12-05-2012 7:32 PM


Re: For the sake of the argument...
It was not kind for God to know that society would sink so low and to create a course which would lead to the destruction of the entire world (minus 8 people) being necessary.
No, that was not kind.
God did not just "let things run their course."
He designed the track and built the engine and shoveled the coal. So he could have set up capital punishment or even better, a human culture that prospers in culture in a way that capital punishment would not be necessary.
But he didn't.
Call that success or failure if you want.
Do NOT call it kind.

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