Is God good?

The thing I quoted. How stupid are you? We're still waiting for evidence for this.Please let me inform you again that shit you make up in your head is not evidence. Evidence?Please let me inform you again that shit you make up in your head is not evidence. Evidence?Please let me inform you again that shit you make up in your head is not evidence. But I am not telling lies. You are.

You have no idea if this is how this bit of racism developed. But it is pretty clear that the racism involved preceded Darwin. As you are doubtless aware, back in the 17th and 18th century, hundreds of years before Darwin, racists justified racism and the exploitation of Negroes as the lot of the accursed descendants of Ham's son.Yes, those racists sure loved that Bible. Yet we don't condemn the Bible for the uses that racists made of it. That condemnation would be ridiculously irrational, despite the fact that we all know without doubt the source of that little bit of evil.Racists might well love a lot of things. But they are racists first. Nobody but an ignorant fool every believed that blacks actually had tails. And it is pretty clear that absent Darwin or wherever the 'blacks have tails nonsense' came from, a racist would simply grab onto some other hateful thing to say.ABE: Did your father say whether the patting on the butt stopped one the women figured out that the black soldier's had not tails?Edited by NoNukes, : Added by Edit

Where?
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Why do you think the God found in Exodus, Joshua, and the Flood is evil? Are you saying that there never was an exodus from egypt and that there never was a conquest of canaan and that there never was a flood (of any sort)? Do you deny that there was a flood that covered all the land that noah could see? Do you deny that it destroyed all life in the world that noah was aware of ( the black sea)? Do you deny that noah built a large boat that floated on the black sea for over a year?

What utter nonsense. Sorry but your father was just pulling your leg and funning you.Even your father had to be bright enough to know that many parts of Africa were not just familiar to Italians, they were Italian Colonies.And even that has nothing to do with the topic.If you accept the Bible stories as being factual then the God found in the Flood myths and in Joshuah and in Exodus is still every bit as evil as Hitler.

I deny that there was ever a flood as described in the Biblical myths. I seriously doubt that Noah ever even lived.There is lots of evidence the Exodus also never happened as described in the Bible or that the Conquest of Canaan ever happened as described in Joshuah.But IF anyone ever accepted the stories as being literal or factual, then yes, the God described would be guilty of ethnic cleansing in the case of Joshuah and the Biblical Flood stories and of just being a vicious jerk in the case of the Exodus myth.They are simply cultural myths and should not be considered as anything else. For example the Exodus story in particular is written just like the weekly two reeler shown in the theaters when I was a kid and the soap operas of today. It was written to keep the audience waiting to see what happened the next night and so the story teller got food and lodging for yet another day.

Ah. The calm voice of reason.Now, I linked to a video which had a title suggesting perhaps that racism was invented by Darwin. You may go argue your point with those who titled that video.My point was the Darwin quotations from The Descent of Man.. Once again. My point was not that Darwin was the first racists.If you skeptics are willing to say that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, The New Testament had absolutely NO CONCEIVABLE enfluence on the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades, then maybe I'll cheerfully go along with a friendly gesture and say tongue in cheek "Well Charles Darwin's Evolution Theory had no imaginable, no possible, no conceivable enfluence Nazi Eugenics, Nazi killing of mentally retarded, and Hitler's dehumanization of the Jews.I doubt that you are going to make that concession. Selectively, yes.
If I can admit it for the Bible it is strange that you cannot for the Darwin to Hitler connection. You must now speak for yourself. If you were Christopher Hitchens you would say that religion poisons everything. You would squarely lay at the foot of the Bible the crimes, say of the KKK.So, I might respect that you are speaking for yourelf.
By the way, above I submitted that if Evolution is TRUE, it doesn't matter who it enfluenced to do bad stuff.So you're schooling me now on a point I already made. A point that I already made - IE. if something is true it doesn't matter if it fueled this or that person to utilize the concept for evil deeds.That would be something like a genetic fallacy, I think. Hitler's Nazism does not make Darwin's ideas written in The Descent of Man, false.I don't think I deal with this particular matter further. We agree to disagree. I'm sorry that you cannot re-write history as if Hitler's Germany was prior to Evolution theory of the 19th century. You mean powerful guys like Adolf ?
You mean people like Adolf Hitler who clung on to his kind of Social Darwinism ? Yea, that's right.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

1) There was a "flood" of humanity Out-of-Africa 40 thousand years ago, that we do know.
And we also are certain that from then until about 10,000 years ago, all other humanoid types of anceatora to modern man went extinct.Gen. 6:7 And the LORD, (the force behind the ever unfolding Reality of the Universe) said, I will destroy man (of these types and species) whom I have created (for the purpose to mentally model my image of Reality), destroy them, (of these types and species), from the face of the earth, (deeming them extinct); both (this species and kind of) man, and (his present abstract idea of) the beast (of the earth), and (his idea of) the creeping thing (of the earth), and (his idea of) the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them (in this process of evolution).2) We know that the Noah story corresponds one-to-one with that, if we grant that "40 days" was really meant to hint at 40,000 years.2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,...3) We are also sure that Neanderthal women hybridized with our ancestors who equate to the modern men today who are the "sons-of-God"who survived extinction. Gen. 6:4 There were giants, (Homo Erectus of Methusaelian and Methuselahian kinds according to the bible), in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God, (that line of ascent which would not become extinct, Methuselahian links, through Seth, i.e.; Modern Homo Erectus), came in unto the daughters, (the sister species of Tubal-cain, Naamahians, a late stage Neanderthal type), of men, ("daughters" of the previous adaptation of the Methusaelian line of Cain, i.e.; Homo antecessor, derived through the line of Cain), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men, (Neanderthals), which were of old, (powerful) men of renown (physical strength).4) We DO know that modern man appeared 100,000 years BEFORE the population explosion Out-of-Africa, or @ 150,000 years ago.This is exactly what Genesis says, in that the three racial stocks of Modern Homo sapiens were born to Noah 100,000 "years" before the 40,000 year long "flood" began:Gen 5:32 And Noah, (an archaic type of Homo sapiens forebearer), was five hundred "years" old, (and the Flood will come when Noah is 600 "years" old: Gen 7:6) : and Noah begat Shem, (the Mongoloids), Ham, (the Negroids), and Japheth, (the Caucasians).5) We DO know that the present seven genetic racial divisions and sources of modern men were differentiated from the Three Racial Stocks which both science and Genesis refwer to: 6) It is a reasonable metaphor that the "Ark" which carried all names of the animals forward into the world that followed the extinction of the previously dominant Neanderthals was inside our own Brain:7) We NOW know that genetic evidence supports a "Noah" who live @ 40,000 years ago, is the common, single, one father to whom all men living today are related according to the Y-chromosome evidence.
This fact was announced in US NEws Magazine under the Title article about Darwin.

And none of that bullshit fantasy has any relationship to any of the Biblical flood myths or to the topic under discussion.

No-one said that it wasn't conceivable, just that apparently it didn't happen. Whereas the evidence does show that the Inquisition and the Crusades were religiously motivated. The Crusaders rode into battle shouting "Deus vult!" --- God wills it. Whereas despite repeated challenges, you haven't found a single place where Hitler referenced Darwin. I can conceive of him doing so, I just haven't seen any evidence that he actually did. Because the things that I can imagine are not evidence any more than the things that you can imagine are evidence.

Then YOU need stop interjecting the comments into the discussion which need be corrected.

If noah never existed, then why was his name mentioned? How is the exodus described in the bible such that you don't believe it happened? Which parts? For example: was israel enslaved in egypt? Did israel escape egypt and come to live in canaan? If not, then why not? What part of the description of the canaan conquest do you think is unbelievable and why? Why do you believe this? Why do you think that? What in the world is a cultural myth in YOUR mind anyway? Huh? What? This kind of writing seems absolutely insane to me. What makes you think you know what the reasons were for it being written?

It is not necessary that I find mention of the man's NAME ... "Charles Darwin" per se. The location of ideas so strickingly similar to Darwin's ideas is good enough for many historians.

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If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile.

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" if men should forget that wherever they have reached a superior level of existence, it was not the result of following the ideas of crazy visionaries but by acknowledging and rigorously observing the iron laws of Nature. "

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Compare to The Ascent of Man by Darwin and the subtitle to Darwin's book on Origin of Species.

But it is surely interesting that you can't. After all, when we look at the writings of men who really were influenced by Darwin, for example Richard Dawkins or Ernst Meyr, we find that they mention Darwin quite a lot. But they aren't strikingly or even strickingly similar, as you would know if you were familiar with the theory of evolution. That was the very first thing that was pointed out to you, hence the post title we're still using. ... which does not, in fact, exist ... Are you still lying about that? Why?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

All great ideas I'd love to discuss with you in a thread or other format, but most are not pertinent to the topic.Whether or not those things happened is not really important in this thread. But IF they did, what do they say about the Gods in the stories is and so let's try to follow that in this thread and discuss whether or not they actually happened in some other forum.Let's take the Exodus fable first.In the story the God character tells Pharaoh to let His people good and time after time the Pharaoh agrees but then the God character "hardens Pharaoh's heart" and makes him change his mind so that the God character can inflict another plague on the Egyptians. That happens in Exodus 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 14. Time after time the Pharaoh character agrees to let the Hebrews go and time after time the God character the God character changes Pharaoh's mind.And the reason for all this is also laid out in the story, "that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so."