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GDR
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Message 15 of 415 (661385)
05-04-2012 10:41 PM


I'm just as opposed to creationism as you guys are except that my reasons are not the same. IMHO creationism is a complete distortion of the Christian faith.
However, having said that you only have to read through this thread and see, the name calling and ridicule that Buz is subjected to and it becomes clear as to why there aren't any creationists left here.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Message 148 of 415 (662430)
05-15-2012 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Bolder-dash
05-15-2012 6:57 PM


Re: why there are no creationists here
I'm no biologist but Francis Collins is. He was head of the project that mapped out the entire human genome. He calls DNA the "language of God". In his book "The Language of God" he writes the following.
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Believers would be well advised to look carefully at the overwhelming weight of scientific data supporting this view of relatedness of all living things, including ourselves.
He also says that the fundamentals of so-called scientific creationism are hopelessly flawed. That it involves either ignoring the overwhelming body of scientific evidence of radioactive decay clocks, all the fossils and all of the genome sequences" or if they are considered it has to be suggested that God is just trying to trick us to test our faith.
To suggest that there is no evidence is ludicrous. Paul writes in Romans that we can learn about God by observing the world around us. Why can't you believe him?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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GDR
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Message 156 of 415 (662568)
05-16-2012 9:50 PM
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05-16-2012 5:21 AM


Re: why there are no creationists here
Bolder-dash writes:
I am not sure your point here GDR. Doesn't all of the fossil evidence support the notion of guided evolution every bit as much as it does Darwinian evolution?
I had understood you to be rejecting evolutionary belief altogether so if I misunderstood you I apologise.
IMHO, having no knowledge of biology, we would be unable to tell how evolution evolved, or how it began in the first place. As a theist I'm happy with the idea that the design might have been complete at its inception or that God tweaked it along the way. From the atheistic point of view evolution itself doesn't appear to require any outside influence. We can understand evolution as the handiwork of an intelligent first cause or we can see it as the result of completely natural causes.
Bolder-dash writes:
So if you are going to support your belief in Darwinian evolution, based simply on fossils, you might as well believe anything, intelligent design, Lamarkism, what have you. Fossils say nothing about the process, just the result.
I agree.
Bolder-dash writes:
Also I would just like to note with great enthusiasm, that isn't it great that we no longer have to have discussions on this board which relate to the topic; as evidenced by Percy and Nwr's diatribes on Shapiro, which clearly have nothing at all to do with the topic. I am so glad there is a new paradigm at EvC which allows free range thought with no interruption from Admin about staying on topic. Or maybe admin just hasn't noticed the off topic rants yet?
If you notice, this thread is in the coffee house which allows for that sort of thing. Frankly, Percy puts in considerable time, effort and probably money into keeping this forum going, and I for one am grateful. Even if we were in another thread it seems to me that if anybody should be cut some slack it would be Percy.
We are his guests here, and in light of that I suggest that we should treat our host graciously.
Edited by GDR, : No reason given.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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