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Message 16 of 146 (661551)
05-07-2012 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Vanessa
05-07-2012 5:59 PM

Im taking a look at your conference and its speakers
Dr. Geoff Barnard - immunologist/immunochemist,
The evolutionary concepts of Darwinism demand the total plasticity of chromosomal architecture. There can be random gene duplications, chromosomal inversions, deletions, fusions and fissions along with the addition of new biological information as one species transforms itself into another. This is the fantasy land of evolution which is now regarded as a fact in the scientific community. The cell, on the other hand, goes out of its way and expends vast amounts of biological energy to maintain the integrity of its chromosomal structures. There is a good reason for this.
Effective sexual reproduction requires the existence of a complimentary male and female reproductive system which is both physically and biochemically compatible as well as the successful formation of effective gametes. Furthermore, the production of sperm and egg involves the complex process of meiosis which is initiated by the total and accurate alignment of homologous chromosomes prior to cross-over and recombination. This is the very antithesis of chromosomal plasticity. It is the opinion of the speaker that the maintenance of fertility is the biggest biological challenge to Darwinism. The tautology is not the survival of the fittest but it is the survival of the fertile.
This are the basics of what he said
my answers 1: the procedure does not matter fact is in offspring of organisms be it of creatures that reproduce sexually or asexually are not perfect copies of their parents
2: It does not matter if you are fertile if you cant get a mate, survive to sexual maturity
Prof. Chris Shaw - Professor of Neurology
Science makes some spectacular claims about the substance and origins of the Universe and of Life but how many of these are based upon a belief system and how many are based upon actual “so-called” scientific facts. As all science is effectively provisional, does science provide humanity with certainty or confusion?
All scientific claims called SCIENTIFIC THEORIES are based on scientific facts if they are not or a FACT does not fit THE THEORY CHANGES.
Science provides humanity with certainty while religion provides confusion remember the dark ages no science no understanding of anything religion rules, witches are burned, you pray to get well when you are sick, people get locked up if they say things like the sun does not revolve around the earth, or the earth is not the center of the universe, no TV, no electricity, the horse is the fastest vehicle around runs on hay and water ....
Dr. Jay Wesley Richards - analytic philosopher
The more scientists have learned about the needs for life, the more they have come to appreciate how many things must go right to have even one “habitable planet” where complex life must exist. The list of ingredients seems to grow every year. But does that mean that we earthlings are just the lucky recipients of a vast cosmic lottery? Or does this evidence point to purpose and intelligent design? In The Privileged Planet, Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards have argued for “conspiracy” rather than mere coincidence. It turns out how that the rare places where life can exist in the universe are also the best places overall for doing science. This suggests that the universe is not only designed for life, but is designed for scientific discovery as well.
Thing is we really dont know what life needs to exist, apart from an energy source and "space".
Life thrives in the most "inhospitable" places like in
in the cold of the Arctic and Antarctic
in volcanic vents on land
in very dry places - Dry and hot, dry and cold
in hot volcanic vents of the deep ocean
in rock, deep inside the Earth -
in severe chemical environments harmful to most life-forms - acid, alkali and salt
in high-radiation environments, such as on the control rods of nuclear powerplants

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Message 47 of 146 (661707)
05-09-2012 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Vanessa
05-09-2012 11:17 AM

i argue there is a natural system in place before life formed on Earth. I hold up Nature as my proof. Nature develops life through predetermined systems. If you know of any life that came about without any predetermined system please tell me.
Yes and no magic or magic men needed to make life or evolve it.
Now if your saying a magic man had to make those "laws" i say to you if we lived in an universe where such "laws" where not in place we would not be asking questions like this because we would not be here.

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