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Jazzns
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Message 1 of 264 (661842)
05-10-2012 5:28 PM


Bullying has been in the forefront of our consciousness lately. This is especially true of the bullying of gay children due to the horrifying suicides that have followed.
Now it turns out, one leading party's candidate for president is a bully extraordinair, especially when the target of his bullying appears to be gay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_print.html
John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.
He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him! an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber’s look, Friedemann recalled.
A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.
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BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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fearandloathing
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Message 2 of 264 (661849)
05-10-2012 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
05-10-2012 5:28 PM


Off topic bs removed, sorry Jazz
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Dr Jack
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Message 3 of 264 (661850)
05-10-2012 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
05-10-2012 5:28 PM


Over forty years ago, when he was a child.
It's fucking bullshit to bring it up now.

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Jazzns
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Message 4 of 264 (661853)
05-10-2012 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Jack
05-10-2012 5:50 PM


Over forty years ago, when he was a child.
It's fucking bullshit to bring it up now.
So character and upbringing isn't relevant to electing arguably the most powerful person in the world?

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Dr Jack
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Message 5 of 264 (661855)
05-10-2012 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Jazzns
05-10-2012 5:56 PM


Upbringing isn't, no.
Character is, but the behaviour of a child isn't. If you want to throw shit on his character pick something from his adult life; preferably from recent times.

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Jazzns
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Message 6 of 264 (661856)
05-10-2012 6:04 PM
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05-10-2012 6:02 PM


Upbringing isn't, no.
I respectfully disagree.

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jar
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Message 7 of 264 (661858)
05-10-2012 6:05 PM
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05-10-2012 5:56 PM


The character of of kid is not relevant when looking at the adult.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 8 of 264 (661859)
05-10-2012 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Jack
05-10-2012 6:02 PM


So, as I was wondering over in Facebook, maybe the dog had a shock of blonde hair?

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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ooh-child
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Message 9 of 264 (661861)
05-10-2012 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Jack
05-10-2012 6:02 PM


He wasn't exactly a child - this happened a few months shy of his HS graduation.
And the character question for me involving this story is this: one of his cohorts, knowing how strict the school was regarding discipline, totally expected Mitt to get a punishment. But no one in the school administration admonished Mittens over this assault. Why? His daddy George was reportedly very involved with this prep school. Did his family connections get him a pass?
His character seems to lead him to believe he's above answering for his own actions.

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Shield
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Message 10 of 264 (661862)
05-10-2012 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
05-10-2012 5:28 PM


So what... Even if it's true, it was a really long time ago and should not matter now. He was a kid when he supossedly did this.

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RAZD
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Message 11 of 264 (661863)
05-10-2012 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Jack
05-10-2012 5:50 PM


Hi Mr Jack
Over forty years ago, when he was a child.
It's fucking bullshit to bring it up now.
Do you really think he has changed?
Do you think behavior in those years do not signify deeply held biases?
Of course Schrubbia was a bully too ...
Enjoy.

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Dr Jack
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Message 12 of 264 (661865)
05-10-2012 6:16 PM
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05-10-2012 6:13 PM


Change is possible
Do I think he has changed? No, I don't. I think Romney was scum then and scum now.
However, I think people can change, and in order for people to be allowed to change we have to assume they can and be willing to let the past rest. I also know that a great many people did shitty things in high school.
Forty years, RAZD, it's a very long time to still be paying for one's mistakes.

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Dr Jack
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Message 13 of 264 (661866)
05-10-2012 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by xongsmith
05-10-2012 6:08 PM


Please explain, Mr. Asimov.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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Dr Jack
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Message 14 of 264 (661867)
05-10-2012 6:18 PM
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05-10-2012 6:10 PM


He wasn't exactly a child - this happened a few months shy of his HS graduation.
So, he was, what 15? 16? I'm not quite sure where high school lies in the US.
Yes, he was a child. Frankly, 18 is pretty bloody young, under the age of majority certainly is.

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Dr Jack
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Message 15 of 264 (661868)
05-10-2012 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Jazzns
05-10-2012 6:04 PM


Upbringing
So you think people should be held responsible for the opinions and actions of their parents?

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