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Author Topic:   Physical Laws ....What if they were different before?
Coragyps
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Message 9 of 309 (662145)
05-12-2012 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by foreveryoung
05-11-2012 10:44 PM


There's a Spanish proverb, fev, that goes, "Si su tia tenia cojones, seria su tio." (well, with a few accent signs it goes better....)
That means, "If your aunt had testicles, she'd be your uncle." That is precisely the sort of "what if" you are engaging in here. Creationism is "proven" wrong because your aunt has no testicles and isn't your uncle. The only reason to even entertain the possibility that "laws were different" is a quirky interpretation of a 3000-year-old document. All the evidence we've ever found indicates that the laws weren't different. Only fundy Christian/Muslim/Jewish "true believers" think otherwise - and their opinions aren't even based on science.

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Message 43 of 309 (662452)
05-15-2012 10:33 PM
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05-15-2012 9:18 PM


Re: change leaves evidence.
It isn't impossible if the very nature of matter was different.

Sure! It might not be impossible. But why, then, do stars whose light left them millions or billions of years ago give us spectra with identical absorptions (except for redshift) as the same elements in the sun, or in the lab? What was "different" about matter back then? And when was "back then," anyway?


"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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Coragyps
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Message 46 of 309 (662457)
05-15-2012 10:53 PM
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05-15-2012 10:38 PM


Re: first assumption
We never observe any property of matter apart from light.

Really? I can hit you over the head with a black whifflebat at night in a dark basement, and you will observe nothing?


"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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Coragyps
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Message 80 of 309 (662834)
05-19-2012 12:59 PM
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05-19-2012 1:45 AM


Re: SN1987A part 1
Did you notice that the Magellanic galaxies (the home of SN1987a) were ejected from the core of the Milky Way?

I never noticed that, and neither has anyone in the astronomical community. That's primarily because it isn't so. The LMC and SMC are in orbit around the Milky Way, but they, just like the couple of dozen other sattelite galaxies, formed seperately and have different chemical compositions than the Milky Way. The "river" is a trail from a recent* orbit that brought the clouds a tad too close to our galaxy.

*"recent" including numbers of years up to the hundreds of millions


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Message 82 of 309 (662836)
05-19-2012 1:32 PM
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05-19-2012 1:13 PM


Re: first assumption
The death of modern physics will come about.....

bullshit.....


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Message 159 of 309 (664178)
05-29-2012 4:41 PM
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05-29-2012 4:09 PM


Re: question unanswered ...
The Bible clearly states.....

Oddly enough, I don't give a red rat's ass what the Bible, the Iliad, the Bhagavad-Gita, or any other ancient set of fables states if it is in obvious conflict with readily observed reality.

Radioactive samples measured and stored, when their decay products were analyzed years later, they did not fit the assigned mathematical decay rate.

I'm calling bullshit. Reference the scientific paper(s) where that is documented, or withdraw the claim.


"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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Message 224 of 309 (664816)
06-05-2012 1:51 PM
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06-05-2012 12:51 PM


Re: ... and more questions unanswered ...
"The horror of empiricism" now ranks up there with "the heartbreak of psoriasis" as one of the all-time great advertising slogans! I just can't figure out what exactly you are trying to advertise, Riddler.

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