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Author Topic:   Physical Laws ....What if they were different before?
Coyote
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Message 89 of 309 (662846)
05-19-2012 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by ringo
05-19-2012 3:09 PM


Cuts and pastes from a blog...
He might be getting a lot of his material from here:

http://www.godsriddle.info/2012_02_01_archive.html

Sounds like it is his own blog, too.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 98 of 309 (663289)
05-23-2012 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by godsriddle
05-23-2012 12:20 AM


Re: first assumption
For those of you who are not aware of the first principle of physics...

One thing I learned long ago is to ignore the many, often contradictory, interpretations people come up with for the bible. Ancient tribal myths don't tend to teach us much about science.

As Heinlein noted:

The Bible is such a gargantuan collection of conflicting values that anyone can prove anything from it.

Robert Heinlein, The Number of the Beast


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Message 105 of 309 (663343)
05-23-2012 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by godsriddle
05-23-2012 12:35 PM


Re: question unanswered ...
Ancient people lived for geological ages, as the Bible plainly states, which is why they grew Neanderthal brows before they died in old age.

This is absolute nonsense.

First, there is no evidence other than ancient tribal myth that people lived longer in the past.

Second, we have bones or fossils of modern humans going back 200,000 years and a variety of other species prior to that. There is no evidence of extreme age in any of them. Using forensics we can age skeletons pretty accurately through a variety of indicators, and what we see now seems to be pretty much what we observe from the past.

Also, the skeletal differences between Neanderthal and modern humans at the same time are well known, and age has nothing to do with them.

Finally, young Neanderthals exhibit the same characteristics (brow ridges, etc.) as old Neanderthals.

Your contention that people lived for geological ages is clearly untrue.

Tell me, what good does it do you are others like you to believe things that are clearly untrue, and can so easily be shown to be untrue?

Wouldn't it make more sense to accept evidence that can be verified? I would think that would make a better foundation than accepting easily disproved nonsense.

(And see signature.)


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Message 108 of 309 (663346)
05-23-2012 1:01 PM
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05-23-2012 12:50 PM


Re: Trenches
Where did western California come from? It migrated down the coast as a long island. The rocks on the western side of the San Andreas match coastal rocks far to the north.

Wrong. Western California is moving north.

From Wiki: "All land west of the fault on the Pacific Plate is moving slowly to the northwest while all land east of the fault is moving southwest (relatively southeast as measured at the fault) under the influence of plate tectonics. The rate of slippage averages approximately 33 to 37 millimetres (1.3 to 1.5 in) annually across California."

In that case the Cascadian trench is a stretch feature as the Earth grew in size as the oceans continued to spread out.

Since western California is moving north, not south, perhaps you would like to revise that statement?

The Bible states three times that the earth spreads out in unbroken continuity (in Hebrew that is).

So?

(See signature, below.)


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Message 243 of 309 (664859)
06-06-2012 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by foreveryoung
06-06-2012 2:21 AM


Re: Speed of Light: the Sequel
The reason you should suppose that there ever was a change in constants is because a supernatural book written by the creator of the universe claims this world is much younger than what you all suppose it to be. You claim that the evidence shows it to be exactly as old as you claim. I am saying that maybe the evidence is all wrong. If the constants were ever different in the past, then the evidence would indeed be all wrong.

But what if the constants were the same in the past?

Now, can you see why you should give the idea of changing constants a serious consideration into possibly being true?

No, your "what ifs" are not evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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