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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Biblical Solution = Abstinence from adultery, fornication and sodomy. Is this medically scientific? No. Abstinence usually is about only 30% effective over time for preventing the contraction of STD's or pregnancy. Moreover, even waiting to marry someone positive for these diseases, and being completely monogamous with them, will not prevent you from contracting the disease from them So, no. I'd say there isn't much medical validity to the idea of "abstinence" as a prophilactic. The fact that it hasn't ever stemmed the tide of a disease in several thousand years should have been your first indicator. Retarding the spread of a disease is one prong of fighting an epidemic; actual treatments for the infected are the second. How, exactly, does abstinence until marriage help the poor sod with gonorrhea?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The topic has nothing to do with pregnancy. Undesired pregnancy is an STD, if you ask me.
Would you agree that monogamous heterosexual practice reduces the incidence of these diseases? Not really; avoiding sexual contact with infected persons is the only way to prevent contracting these diseases. Conflating that with monogamy is dangerous at best.
Given that the vast majority of aids infections are MSM, would you agree that MSM sexual abstinence would greatly reduce incidence of aids on the long haul? MSM? I don't understand.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Pregnancy is not a disease. If having an unwanted tapeworm or an unwanted bacteria or an unwanted virus is a disease, then an unwanted pregnancy is a disease. What is a disease, if not a lifeform in your body that you don't want there?
The more partners you engage in sex with, the greater your chance of STD. Simple math. Simple logic - you can't get a disease from someone who doesn't have one, and you can be infected by your first and only sexual partner. Avoiding fluid exchange with infected persons is the only way to prevent the spread of an STD. How one chooses to do that is entirely up to them.
Given that the vast majority of aids infections are MSM, would you agree that MSM sexual abstinence would greatly reduce incidence of aids on the long haul? I still don't understand what you mean by MSM. Is that a code for "hetersexual acts between men and women?" Since that's the only thing you could be referring to by saying "the vast majority of AIDS infections."
How about MMS? How about you tell me what the hell you're talking about? Juggling the letters around doesn't tell me what you mean.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The question as per the topic OP is whether abstinence of adultry, fornication and sodomy diminishes STDs. What has been proven, medically, to reduce the spread of these diseases is access to prophilaxis and knowledge about the medical and sexual history of your potential partners. What has never been proven to work - quite the opposite - is abstinence. Partly because, for one in four women for instance, "choosing abstinence" doesn't translate into not having sex with a "partner" of unknown medical/sexual history.
To answer your question briefly, the less partners involved in any of these three practices would, of course, diminish the risk. And yet, empirically, it doesn't. Funny old world, isn't it?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
STD highly unlikely if you and your first folllow But then you're advocating exactly what I'm advocating - don't expose yourself to infected persons, and investigate about your partner's medical and sexual history. How would you know, after all, that they'd followed the "Biblical guidelines?"
Most folks who've gotten this far in the thread have MMS figured out. It means male/male sex. Male/male intercourse is not the leading cause of AIDS infections, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, and before you repeated the claim to me. Why did you continue to repeat a claim that you knew was false?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
IS THE ABOVE MEDICALLY SCIENTIFIC? No. Advice that is impossible or impractical to follow has no medical validity. The "cure" for the common cold, after all, is to never contract a cold virus. But the reason that's not the advice of doctors is because avoiding cold viruses requires a life spent in immunological isolation, which is impossible or impractical for just about everyone.
3. NO SODOMY, (I.E. HOMOSEXUALITY, AS PER MY DICTIONARY) Homosexuals are not "sodomites"; anal sex is an act much more likely to be done by straight couples than gay ones. (Try to imagine why or how lesbians would have anal sex.) Your continued inclusion of "sodomy" on this list even though it isn't an epidemologically relevant activity is baffling.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
At least 25% of surveyed heterosexual couples have had anal sex at least once.
Also, about the Japanese - I don't know about promiscuity, but according to surveys of frequency of intercourse, the Japanese have about one third of the amount of sex that Americans have. I don't have a cite offhand but I understand that Japan's culture of labor doesn't put much emphasis on a husband's home and personal life. Sorry, I don't know much more than that. I'd say that, in the country where you can buy used schoolgirl's panties in vending machines (or used to, until they shut them down under violation of the Antiquities Act, of all things), all sexual bets are off.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Prostitution is very common in certain districts in Tokyo. Let me tell you how fun it was to walk around there with my husband and his friend a little ways ahead of me and watch hooker after hooker proposition them. They thought it was a hoot. Did they physically manhandle them into the bordello? That happened to my dad once, right in front of mom, in Korea. Nothing about sex in Japan would surprise me, I guess.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Note the phrase, "long term" in the title. What's your long-term plan for preventing all rapes, then?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Thanks for trying, my friend, but given the rape offense was also punishable by death, a very miniscule percentage of deviations would be by rape. This would not likely be a long haul problem. Even without the capital punishment, a very small percentage of deviations or SDIs would be rape related diseases. But you acknowledge that rape is going to occur (since the death penalty has never been shown to be a deterrent), and that diseases might be passed that way. Abstinence doesn't stop rape, prohibitions against "fornication" (another slang term) or gay sex don't stop rape, and the death penalty doesn't stop anything. So your "Biblical model", even if it could be followed, doesn't live up to the hype. And why should we be surprised? Again, this is the model that has promulgated for many, many centuries, with the result that STD's spread unchecked. Even in our modern setting, there's absolutely no evidence that an abstinence-only message has any effectiveness in preventing the spread of STD's among teens; in fact, every indication is the opposite - while such "education" often does delay the onset of intercourse by a year or two, at the time that they finally do begin having intercourse, they're much less likely to do so in ways that prevent the contraction of disease. Your "Biblical model" has no medical validity. This is the position of the CDC, the AMA, and anybody else motivated by a need to retard the spread of debilitating STDs and not by a need to promulgate sexual mores that never ever had the effect you claim they did.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
CF, please reread the OP. If you want to discuss rape, I repeat: start your own thread. I've shown where what you want to discuss has no significant bearing on the OP of this thread. No, you haven't. You've simply stated that you have. Rape is relevant. It's completely on topic, because it's a kind of sexual intercourse that prohibitions against fornication, adultery, and "sodomy" doesn't prevent. Of course, fornication, adultery, and "sodomy" are acts of intercourse that prohibitions against fornication, adultery, and "sodomy" don't prevent, either. Like I said, it's completely on topic. It's just one more weakness of your argument that you don't care to address.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Copy and paste exactly what in the OP to which your rape stuff applies and I'll respond. Your OP wasn't all that long in the first place, so it's not clear to me how you could have gotten confused in the intervening time between then and now, but if you insist:
quote: The relevance of rape is that its a form of intercourse, and therefore exposure to disease, that abstinence doesn't prevent. Voluntarily bstaining from intercourse, no matter how hard you try, doesn't prevent involuntary intercourse.
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