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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: If I evolved from something then there is no soul or spirit in me.... Non sequitur. Your statement seems to suggest that creationists do discount/reject all interpretations of the Bible other than their own and, by implication, all religions other than their own. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I don't see where I have many options as to what happens at death. What does death have to do with it? I was responding to your opninion on the origin of the soul. If you explore these forums, you might encounter the idea that the soul (if it exists) develops some time after birth. Some might say that the soul is a function of mind and so it develops as the mind develops. Some, such as you, might say that a newborn won't go to hell because it's soul is still "clean". Others might say that a newborn won't go to hell because it has no soul yet. If the soul develops from nothing, like all our other organs, then the origin of the first life is irrelevant. So, by rejecting evolution on religious grounds, you are rejecting any religions that allow for a different origin of the soul. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I believe God made man in his image. Body, Mind, Spirit (soul) Now if there is no God there can be no soul. There is nothing in that Genesis passge that suggests that our soul is the image of God's soul - only that we (in general) are an image of God (in general). Since we are talking about the hypothetical development of the soul, the "image" metaphor would require a discussion of the development of God. You probably don't want to go there (and it would be off-topic).
If as some believe God started the process and left everything up to chance you might be right but I haven't found that Bible yet. That kinda is the topic, though. By tying your Bible and yours alone in with the question of evolution, you're effectively excluding every religion but your own. Only your Bible is right about the soul, so evolution must be wrong.
Now if you can shed some light on the orgin of the (soul) spirit of man please do. I already mentioned that I think the soul/spirit/mind of an individual develops some time after birth. It's a learning process, social, environmental. It's not primarily biological, so it doesn't matter whether we evolved from chemicals or if some god zapped us into existence. Edited by Ringo, : Ye olde spellinge. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Do you have something to base this belief on or is it just your opinion? As far as I understand it, psychology explains the mind something like that. It is my opinion that the soul, if it exists, is a function of mind. If it is not a function of mind, can it be shown to exist? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Well does the soul exist or not? The question in this topic is:
quote: Whether or not the soul does exist is irrelevant. I have tried to show that there are concepts of the soul that differ from yours. I responded to (what I perceived as) your assertion that the soul "disproves" evolution. Are you are saying that your (supposedly Biblical) concept of the soul is correct and other concepts are incorrect because evolution is incorrect? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I would include that from what I read evolutionists are trying to prove all religion incorrect. You're still not answering the right question: Are you trying to prove religions other than your own incorrect by your stand on evolution? Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I don't know how to make it any clearer. How about a simple "yes" or "no"? Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: What part of evolution you talking about? The whole thing. Every word that procedeth out of the mouth of Darwin, plus the neoDarwinist Testament. No waffling about micro/macro. Does your stand on evolution invalidate other religions? Yes? No? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: My stand on anything including evolution or my belief in something or disbelief in something valadiates nor invalidates anything. So your answer to the OP question - as it applies to you personally - would be "No".(You could have spared us the tap-dancing.) Next, do you think that other Christians believe that their religion invalidates evolution? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I am not qualified to think for other people. I'm not asking you to think "for" other people. I'm asking you to think about other people.
I can only read what they say and draw conclusions. I'm asking you, "What are your conclusions?" Do you think that other Christians believe that their religion invalidates evolution? (Please, can you stop all the evasions and just discuss the topic?) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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