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Message 24 of 89 (389719)
03-15-2007 6:12 AM

Reply to: Message 21 by ICANT
03-15-2007 12:30 AM

Re: Re-Religious Studies

This seems a bit confused, it isn't as if the guy was suspended from the school, he was just taken off the show.

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The ACLJ writes:

The American Center for Law and Justice, an international public interest law firm, announced today that it has assisted a high school senior from Illinois - who was suspended from a student television broadcast for saying the words “God Bless” - in overturning the suspension and returning to the broadcast. After hearing from the student and ACLJ attorneys, the Dupo, Illinois School Board last night voted unanimously to revoke the suspension and permit James Lord to return to the broadcast immediately.

Your recap of this, and indeed the Christian Post article you got it from, is both inadequate and misleading.

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Message 25 of 89 (389721)
03-15-2007 6:39 AM

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03-14-2007 9:37 AM

Which makes me ask - is Religious Studies part of the curriculum in America?

There is no national curriculum in the states in the way we in the UK would think of it. Each State and within them County or district has a high degree of autonomy in what they teach in their schools.

As I understand it there is no constitutional barrier to having a class like RE, but the various bodies involved avoid doing so because of the potentially controversial fallout. There are some schools which teach biblical studies but they seem to be a clear example of how such a class easily can infringe on the separation of church and state.

From Americans get an 'F' in religion - USATODAY.com ...

Mark Chancey, professor of religious studies at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, looked last year at how Texas public school districts taught Bible classes. His two studies, sponsored by the Texas Freedom Network, a civil liberties group, found only 25 of more than 1,000 districts offered such a class.

"And 22 of them, including several using the Greensboro group's curriculum, were clearly over the line," teaching Christianity as the norm, and the Bible as inspired by God, says Chancey. One teacher even showed students a proselytizing Power Point titled, "God's road map for your life" that was clearly unconstitutional, he says.

So well taught religious studies seems to be at best a very rare thing in the states, but then again RE is arguably not well taught in the UK either even when the classes are compulsory. I certainly think that in some cases RE as taught in the UK might well infringe on church and state separation if it was tried in the states, after all the UK actually has a state religion.

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Message 28 of 89 (389735)
03-15-2007 10:02 AM

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03-15-2007 7:49 AM

Do you mean that if a state chose to drop a subject - say Geography (and they could give a valid reason about how this would benefit students) then that state could just drop Geography & the goverment could do nothing about it?

I'm not a hundred percent sure but essentially I think this is correct. Certainly a state board could decide to put together a set of standards for examination which would not require a knowledge of geography, although one would hope they would have trouble getting such standards passed.

For one EvC relevant example look at what the Kansas board of education did with their science standards -
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Message 53 of 89 (390399)
03-20-2007 5:57 AM

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03-20-2007 5:18 AM

Re: Politeness needs patience, not overlooking

By this line of reasoning wouldn’t it be arrogant to contradict anyone who is significantly more of an expert than oneself?

Umm, well yes when you don't know what you are talking about. Is there anything controversial in suggesting that it is arrogant to contradict someone who has knowledge and experience in a field about which you appear to know little or nothing when discussing that very field? If you have solid contradictory evidence then there is a case to be made, but in the absence of such a case how would you characterise such behaviour other than as arrogant?

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Message 61 of 89 (392099)
03-29-2007 10:25 AM

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03-28-2007 11:12 PM

Re: Denouncing religions ? [New to debate]

If I evolved from something then there is no soul or spirit in me so when I die that's it.

How does this follow? Why should a soul becoming associated with an evolved lifeform be any harder to accept than a soul becoming associated with a fertilised ovum?

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