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Author Topic:   Creation cosmology and the Big Bang
onifre
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Message 180 of 305 (666015)
06-20-2012 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by zaius137
06-20-2012 2:33 PM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
In the FLRW model which galaxies are accelerated, is it the Milky Way or distant galaxies? Is it the relative speed between the galaxies?

Speed?

It's neither one. And the question, the way you ask it, makes no sense and shows you understand very little about the subject that you're trying to fake your way through...my friend.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 184 of 305 (666041)
06-21-2012 11:52 AM
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06-20-2012 10:11 PM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
And about my sentence… “Is it the relative speed between the galaxies?”

Is it your belief or understanding that the galaxies themselves are moving? Or do you get that the space between them is expanding?

If it's the latter, then you are right and we can chat about things. If it's the former then you are wrong and should start there in your inquery.

Furthermore as the space between them expands, the galaxies are further from each other. The spece between the galaxies is exapnding at a rate faster than light can travel. That does not violate the SoL.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 193 of 305 (666211)
06-24-2012 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by Chuck77
06-23-2012 8:10 PM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
What actual evidence is there that makes it a better theory than other theories?

What other theories has science proposed?

- Oni

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onifre
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Message 195 of 305 (666214)
06-24-2012 1:13 PM
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06-24-2012 12:58 PM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
Never heard of that theory...

Links?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 206 of 305 (666264)
06-25-2012 10:57 AM
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06-25-2012 1:43 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
Zaius, my friend, is it always your custom to avoid the questions asked to you? I asked you specific questions, my friend. Why did you avoid them and ask me a whole set of new questions? Is your goal here to learn, my friend?

I'll ask you again: Is it your belief or understanding that the galaxies themselves are moving? Or do you get that the space between them is expanding?

Please answer... friend.

When scientists find that type 1A supernova are “accelerating” what exactly does that mean?

Can you provide an actual quote? I need to understand the context.

Does the measurement of the speed of light stay consistent with SR?

Yes

This given, is our length of measure contracted as described by Lorentz–Fitzgerald?

I don't really understand that question the way you're asking it, could mean a few things. Can you clarify what you mean?

And the galaxy that is traveling faster than light have a length of zero?

There are NO galaxies traveling at faster than the speed of light. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light. The SPACE between the galaxies is expand at a rate FASTER THAN LIGHT CAN TRAVEL. That does NOT mean the galaxy is traveling faster than the speedof light. Maybe this is where you're finding the confusion?

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 212 of 305 (666300)
06-25-2012 4:28 PM
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06-25-2012 11:02 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
It might help Zaius if you explained how far apart galaxies must be before this is true.

Good point, although I'm worry he won't understand what the numbers represent.

Currently (and that's important to note since the expansion rate is NOT constant) two galaxies must be separated by around 4,200 megaparsecs - or, in numbers that I can understand: 130,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilometers

In laymen terms: far as fuck.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 213 of 305 (666301)
06-25-2012 4:43 PM
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06-20-2012 2:33 PM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
dbl post

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onifre
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Message 214 of 305 (666302)
06-25-2012 4:48 PM
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06-20-2012 2:33 PM


Re: Big Bang violates physics
Dark energy must be a quantum effect

You sound like Deepak Chopra... Woo Woo!

The quantum effects of cosmic consciousness unifies the mind, body and soul allowing one to transcend reality - Deepak Chopra (I just made that up)

You truly have no idea what you mean when you type any of this stuff, right my friend? C'mon, be honest.

- Oni


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Message 301 of 305 (666537)
06-28-2012 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Alfred Maddenstein
06-28-2012 9:56 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics...
First of all, you've got no clue what the so-called Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation is. You just allege it is a remnant of the Big Blank. That is an unsupported claim. It might be something else. Some suggest that it is the result of the ubiquitous orbital decay.

And I think it's the left-over magic dust from the God unicorn when He waved us into existence for the second time.

First time was...well, we don't talk about the first time.

- Oni


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