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Author Topic:   Creation cosmology and the Big Bang
foreveryoung
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Message 87 of 305 (664647)
06-03-2012 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Son Goku
06-03-2012 6:49 PM


Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
Currently we know that something generates an electroweak charge in empty space that essentially splits the electroweak force in two (into the weak force and the electromagnetic force). The Higgs is nothing more than the simplest mechanism for doing this.
What if there is no such thing as an electroweak force?, only electromagnetic forces and weak nuclear forces? What would happen to the big bang theory then? For that matter, what would happen to the big bang theory if dark matter and dark energy were myths as well?

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foreveryoung
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Message 89 of 305 (664652)
06-03-2012 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Panda
06-03-2012 10:20 PM


Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
Well...the electorweak epoch occurred after the Big Bang.
How do you know that?
Knowing that, are you now able to figure out what affect it would have on the Big Bang?
That all depends on whether the Big Bang was responsible for producing the electroweak force.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy have both been observed.
Observed or just wrongly concluded by misinterpreting the evidence?
Your question is similar to asking "What would happen to cowboys if horses were myths?".
No it isn't.
Sure, we can waste some time discussing an imaginary scenario -
Why do you say it is imaginary? It is no more imaginary than the big bang itself.
but it is not an actual argument.
I didn't know that I was trying to make an argument. I was asking questions about the validity of certain claims that everybody seems to accept as true.

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foreveryoung
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Message 91 of 305 (664672)
06-04-2012 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Panda
06-03-2012 11:55 PM


Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
Because that is where the evidence leads us.
To quote Wiki:
"The physics of the electroweak epoch is less speculative and much better understood than the physics of previous periods of the early universe. The existence of W and Z bosons has been demonstrated, and othe predictions of electroweak theory have been experimentally verified."
So how in the world does that make you KNOW there was an electroweak epoch?
No it doesn't.
How is that?
Observed.
I sincerely doubt that unless you have defined "observed" in a way that differs from what "observed" has traditionally been understood to mean.
Yes it is.
I am sorry you believe in fairy tales.
When you make something up in your head, it is called imaginary.
I didn't make anything up. Don't make false accusations.
Correct.
Horses are no more imaginary than the Big Bang.
You just previously stated it was imaginary. Make up your mind.
Good. We are agreed that you have produced no arguments against the Big Bang.
What I did was show weaknesses in the big bang theory. Until you can demonstrate that the electroweak force is a reality, and that dark matter and dark matter are indeed realities, then the real possibility of their non existence would throw the theory into serious danger.

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