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Author Topic:   AiG's Strategy: Indoctrinate and Isolate
NoNukes
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Message 8 of 79 (663624)
05-25-2012 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
05-24-2012 2:05 PM


So the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true, and Libby should have remembered that. Oh, and the evidence backs it up. Why not just say that the Earth is young because that is what the evidence says? I think Dr. Purdom is revealing more than she may want to with this statement.
I read the Drs. position a bit differently.
I read him as saying the following:
That the Bible is true is a given. So what the Bible says is right. The evidence, when interpreted correctly also supports the Bible, but it is possible to become confused.
The process for getting unconfused, according to Ham and Purdom, is to read the Bible, and then, only for those who understand science at all, to get a Creation Scientist to explain what the science really says. Other, secular sources may be wrong or lying.
Perhaps the above seems little different from your take. But it does not require that the Dr. Dino and Dr. Purdom are lying or trying to isolate. They are trying to innoculate, but they honestly do see their vision of the Bible as the absolute truth.
I really don't see anything new about the strategy.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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NoNukes
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Message 25 of 79 (663740)
05-26-2012 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taq
05-25-2012 5:40 PM


Then why even look at the evidence? Why does AiG spend so much time discussing the evidence? If you already believe that you are right and can not be wrong, then why do you need evidence? From Libby's blog:
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AiG really does point to evidence as justification for a belief in creationism. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too, at least in my view.
It is necessary to deal with the evidence, because the alternative is to believe that the external world is complete lie. The real world cannot be avoided by staying in church 24/7. AiG's position is that the Bible does conform to the evidence, but that secular sources distort the evidence.
I am going to have to disagree on that one. Dr. Purdom included a link to this book. In it, they tell parents which christian schools teach evolution and which do not. Clearly, this is a guide of where to send your kids so their beliefs won't be challenged. Also, Ken Ham says the following:
I don't see the contradiction. Creationists believe that evolution is perpetrated by liars and that it is not true science. Why would they want those lies taught to their children in a way that makes them seem plausible? Creation Scientists would not believe or agree that biology books accurately portraying the evidence. That's our description of the textbooks.
I am not questioning your description of what Creationists do. But I do question your description of their mindset.
Perhaps Ham ultimately is a dissembling and his motives are dishonest, but I don't believe you can demonstrate it using the evidence you've given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 64 of 79 (826564)
01-04-2018 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by marc9000
05-28-2012 5:29 PM


Re: On isolation...
Abiogenesis, the SETI Institute, or anything in Darwinism that is untestable, yet speculated on and proclaimed as science.
I agree that it would be just fine to give Intelligent Design the same kind of speculation and pass that the SETI Institute gets in the science books. But I highly doubt that many ID folks would like the result; any such coverage would surely be highly dismissive.
However, with regards to testability, none of those things you mentioned is taught as a theory with the exception of evolution, which of course is testable to the point of being a theory. I assume that the theory of evolution is what you refer to as Darwinism, but I cannot be sure.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
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