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Author Topic:   AiG's Strategy: Indoctrinate and Isolate
foreveryoung
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Message 48 of 79 (664040)
05-28-2012 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taq
05-25-2012 5:40 PM


Their cries that Libby did not "understand" creationism are hollow. Deep down, the real mistake that Libby made was exposing herself to an environment that challenged her beliefs.
I have had my beliefs strongly challenged at college now for a full year. Before that, I had my beliefs challenged for roughly 3 years on the internet on forums like this. I still believe the bible is absolutely true. I have changed my interpretation to fit evidence that is impossible to get around however. Here is what still stands after all that challenging: 1. God created a diversity of life; not darwinian evolution. 2. God created all the original life forms in 2 days. 3. The earth is orders of magnitude younger than 4.56 billion years. 4. There was a global flood/cataclysm that covered all dry land and extinguished all lung breathing life.
That being said, I do believe in a sort of evolution that is much faster than darwinian but by a different mechanism. I do not believe the geological record was laid down by the global flood. I do not believe the earth is 6000 years old. Libby was taught a form of creationism that is easily shot down by criticism. No wonder she stopped believing. AIG is actually doing christianity a disservice I believe by holding to a list of claims that the bible doesn't actually teach.

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foreveryoung
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Message 50 of 79 (664099)
05-28-2012 11:01 PM
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05-28-2012 10:09 PM


Dating by radiometric means has never been totally convincing to me. The geological timing of the flood is one of the things that got changed quite a bit for me. I kept pushing it back further and further because the evidence showed the impossibility of it for the specified time periods. One example was dinosaurs and their nests and their eggs all fossilized in one spot. Common sense told me that a world wide flood could not possibly sweep them up and redeposit them in that neat an order. Igneous dikes that cut through layers of sedimentary strata, sedimentary strata that was tilted and then had other sedimentary strata layered on top of it, convinced me that one year long global flood could not possibly have caused such all of those formations in the span of one year. There are many problems with it , but one of them is that an igneous intrusion would not go partially through layers of soggy wet mud and then suddenly stop and then form a horizontal sill. It would burst all the way to the top and form a flood basalt. (not flood as in water). It is obvious that there is evolution going on in the fossil record and evolution going on today. I could accept that and accept the genesis story, but it would require not accepting a darwinian explanation for it. That is still where I stand today. Regardless of what you have seen in the past six months of me, my creationist stance has gone through a myriad of changes over the past 4 years. I cannot think of every instance right now but every night I spent in the sleeper of my truck before I went back to college, was spent pondering these things in my head, arguing over them like I do here, and researching creationist material and researching sites like talk origins and just plain old wikipedia and branching off from there. It all paid off academically though, 28 credit hours into college and all solid A's and 2 A minuses.

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