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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
jar writes: And laughter will persuade soot spirits to leave. And a lack of donations will usually clear the airwaves of those pesky evangelical spirits."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Omnivorous writes: It seems that most pagan activity did not involve casting out of humans as much as chasing off evil spirits and entities from a village etc.
Your reason for coming to this conclusion is? Pre-Islamic Mecca is a good example, where some 200 or so pagan cultures assembled, hanging their fetishes used to ward off evil spirits, etc. Many pagan cultures apply fetishes for this purpose. Devout RCC adherents apply medals, do beads, pay penances etc in their hopes of blessings and avoidance of evil coming to them. The ancient pagan practice of passing children through fire was to intended as a sacrificial ritual to dispel evil.
This one's for you, Jar, Ringo, et al. Native Americans used a spider web like dreamcatcher to dispel evil spirits. Mmm, what happened to Jar's Dreamcatcher aspirations? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Like painting the lintel of a door with blood to ward off the Angel of Death?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Well good to see you reasons for coming to conclusions are not based on evidence.
So RCC are pagans?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: So RCC are pagans? Read Alexander Hyslop's THE TWO BABYLONS. You will learn how Emperor Constantine, a pagan Roman ruler, in the 4th century AD espoused Christianity and essentially merged paganistic rituals into an adulterated form of Christianity. He became both pontfix maximus, i.e. the first pope and ruler of the Roman Empire. Thus, the non-Biblical paganistic doctrines/practices of the RCC church and the the Revelation 17,18 prophetic Mystery Babylon. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Buz - All sorts of nominally Christian rituals and practices have Pagan elements and influences don't they?
Why do you think Christian dealings with evil spirits (e.g. exorcisms) would be different?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Straggler writes: Why do you think Christian dealings with evil spirits (e.g. exorcisms) would be different? The primary difference is that the Biblical methodology involves no objects or physical applications. It's just proclamations verbally, perhaps preceded by a period personal fasting by the exorcist. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It doesn't hurt to have a herd of pigs and a lake it seems; I would think that those would count as objects.
Of course, some evidence that demons actually exist would strengthen the case.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: It doesn't hurt to have a herd of pigs and a lake it seems; I would think that those would count as objects.Of course, some evidence that demons actually exist would strengthen the case. Regarding your example, the exorcist, in this case, Jesus, simply applied words, allowing the demons their request. He applied nothing physical to exorcise the demons from the man. Jesus, graciously regarded the life and soul of the human above that of a herd of brute beasts which were raised for ultimate purpose of slaughter for man's food. As for the existence of demons, there exists no better explanation for observable extreme evil phenomena? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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He didn't ask the pigs if they wanted to host the demons, and note that he did not pick a species that would be food for the Jews.
And of course there exists better explanations for observable extreme evil behavior including fanatical religious beliefs, neurosis, chemical imbalances, poisoning and even the belief itself that there are such things as demons. Do you have any evidence that there are demons? Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The primary difference is that the Biblical methodology involves no objects or physical applications. And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them. --- Acts 19:11-12
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Wollysaurus Member (Idle past 4518 days) Posts: 52 From: US Joined:
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The same could be said even of healing... mixing dirt and saliva, to be rubbed in the eyes of the blind.
The ritual healings/exorcisms in the NT are much more in line with known magical practices of the time than many would like. The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man by Robert Price is a decent read covering some of these issues.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Regarding your example, the exorcist, in this case, Jesus, simply applied words, allowing the demons their request. He applied nothing physical to exorcise the demons from the man. Jesus, graciously regarded the life and soul of the human above that of a herd of brute beasts which were raised for ultimate purpose of slaughter for man's food. So when the exorcist is showering the victim with holy watter and beating him over the head with a cross thats the wrong way to do it
As for the existence of demons, there exists no better explanation for observable extreme evil phenomena? Umm what evil phenomena when someone is mentally ill ???Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Buz writes: The primary difference is that the Biblical methodology involves no objects or physical applications. It's just proclamations verbally, perhaps preceded by a period personal fasting by the exorcist. Even if that is true I remain mystified as to why this would be considered an important difference or in any way make Christian/biblical exorcisms superior in any way? Can you explain why you think this is important? Secondly - Is it true? Crucifixes, holy water, robes etc. etc. etc. Aren't all of these typically a part of Christian exorcisms?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Crucifixes, holy water, robes etc. etc. etc. Aren't all of these typically a part of Christian exorcisms? Silly Straggler! Those are part of Cathlick exorcisms, not Christian ones.
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