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Author Topic:   Evolution versus Creationism is a 'Red Herring' argument
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Message 17 of 136 (665244)
06-10-2012 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by PaulGL
05-27-2012 2:11 PM


PaulGL writes:

Evolutionists for nonscientific reasons have erroneously discarded the Genesis account and, equally erroneously, religionists have discarded evolution as being contradictory to a Genesis account.


Scientists discarded the Genesis account because it is erroneous.

Why do people try to reconcile science with the Bible? It's like comparing apples and orangutans.


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Message 47 of 136 (665453)
06-13-2012 3:38 PM
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06-13-2012 1:02 PM


Hawkins writes:

Creation thus doesn't require any support from predictability or falsifiability.


So you're saying that creation definitely is not science.
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Message 51 of 136 (665458)
06-13-2012 3:54 PM
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06-13-2012 3:42 PM


Try using the [quote] and [/quote] tags to make your posts more readable.
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Message 60 of 136 (667379)
07-06-2012 2:14 PM
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07-06-2012 1:49 PM


Re: Other relevant E v C empirically testable issues
PaulGL writes:

His evolution from primate to man was distinguished by his obtaining a spirit.


How would "obtaining a spirit" be tested empirically?
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Message 81 of 136 (667622)
07-10-2012 2:37 PM
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07-10-2012 2:18 PM


Re: Other relevant E v C empirically testable issues
PaulGL writes:

But my inference is that man would: 1; Have to be capable of being responsible before receiving a spirit. 2. Such responsibility requires a free will. 3. Such a free will requires a certain (evolved, genetically determined) level of intelligence.


From what premises did you make those inferences? And how do you determine whether or not those premises are true?

PaulGL writes:

(3. above) IS amenable to empirical processes.


How, specifically?

Edited by ringo, : Spelings.


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Message 84 of 136 (667627)
07-10-2012 3:05 PM
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07-10-2012 2:57 PM


Re: Other relevant E v C empirically testable issues
PaulGL writes:

The ability to choose (or reject) freely is intrinsic and unique to humanity. God is NOT capricious (all misunderstandings and misrepresentations to the contrary). Because man was made in God's image, we can thus extrapolate that God is a God of purpose, and is not arbitrary.


I'm asking how you determine whether or not those premises are true. Anybody can rattle off empty claims - "God likes tofu." Show us the thinking behind your claims, one step at a time.
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Message 88 of 136 (667633)
07-10-2012 3:22 PM
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07-10-2012 3:15 PM


Re: Other relevant E v C empirically testable issues
PaulGL writes:

You make logical inferences.


You can't make useful inferences unless your premises are true. How do you determine whether your premises are true? For example, how do you know that man would have to be capable of being responsible before receiving a spirit?
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Message 90 of 136 (667637)
07-10-2012 3:49 PM
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07-10-2012 3:36 PM


Re: Other relevant E v C empirically testable issues
PaulGL writes:

All knowledge (except for axiomatic truths) begins with making premises, which are then tested to see whether or not they are viable theorems.


And I'm asking you how you test your premises. You keep talking about man receiving a spirit. How do you know that your premises about that spirit are true?
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