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Author Topic:   Did the coming of Jesus render the Law of the old testament null and void
Buzsaw
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Message 21 of 80 (666174)
06-23-2012 8:18 AM


Letter Of Law Became Intent Of Law
It was when, on the cross, that Jesus said, "It is finished" that the very heavy thick veil of the Holy of Holies in the Temple was torn open from top to bottom, indicative that Jehovah, god tore it open, ending the testament/dispensation/period of the Levitical priesthood. At at the moment when Jesus died, the animal sacrifices, the Levitical priesthood and the rest of the "letter" of the law ended. Jesus became the "sacrificial lamb of God," replacing all animal sacrifice for Jews and Gentiles alike. Thus the blood of Jesus cleanses ones who put their trust in it of all sin, as per the following NT texts:


    1. Matthew 26:28: This is my blood of the new testament, which was shed for the remission of sins.

    2. Romans 5:9: Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    3. 1 Peter 1:18: You were not redeemed with corruptible things as silver and gold, but with the precious blood of Christ.

    4. 1 John 1:5-7): God is lightand the blood of Jesus Christ his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

There are other texts when Paul said "There is one god and one mediator between God and man, man, Christ Jesus." (mediator=priest). Jesus alone mediates between God and man, ending the Levitical priesthood.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


  
Buzsaw
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Message 23 of 80 (666187)
06-23-2012 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by purpledawn
06-23-2012 9:43 AM


Re: Dropped Laws
PD writes:

Jewish Christians were Christians because they believed Jesus was the Messiah and followed his teachings, not because they followed Jewish law. They were still bound by Jewish law because they were Jewish, but that wasn't part of being Christian. Non-Jewish Christians weren't bound by Jewish law because they weren't Jewish, but they were still Christians because of their belief. They had no OT laws to drop.

Not so, PD. The Jewish temple holy place was done away with as I said and the temple was destroyed shortly later, never to be rebuilt in this dispensation of Christianity.

Don't forget, Jesus and his apostles were all Jews. It was all of them, including Jesus, who never kept the letter of the law. Thus Jesus told the man healed of palsy from birth to pick up his bed and walk. Jewish Levitical law forbad that. It was Jesus and his apostles who did not wash their hands after plucking corn from the field, as required by Jewish Levitical law of the letterl

It was at Penticost when the Holy Spirit decended, entering the believer's body and being/heart/soul, awaiting that event, as Jesus had instructed. The intent of the law came into their being via the baptism of the Holy Ghost, i.e. being born from above/again.

When Nicodemus asked Jesus, in John, chapter 3, how he could enter into God's Kingdom, Jesus's answer was that Nicodemus, a morally righteous man, must be born again/from above, spiritually, i.e the new spiritual birth. This is what so many do not understand about that new birth including some who have accepted Jesus as savior. . Some who do this haven't a clue of what it means or what they did. Some do. Some do it simply to get someone off their backs, so to speak. It all depends on whether they receive him as savior (fire escape) or as both savior and lord/master, as is required.

Paul said somewhere, If any man be in Christ Jesus, he becomes a new creature/creation; old things have passed away; behold all things have become new. In other words, the sinful life passes away and one begins (I say begins) to be a better person as one grows from a babe in Christ to become a mature practicing believer, growing as one applies one's life to the Biblical principles.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 80 (666189)
06-23-2012 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Jon
06-23-2012 4:35 PM


Re: Dropped Laws
Jon writes:

Christianity began as a cult movement within Judaism. Jesus was a Jew. His direct followers were Jews. The whole concept of what Jesus was was entirely entrenched in a Jewish world view. He was the Messiah who was resurrected after being executed during the Passover; he offered spiritual reinterpretations of the Law; and so the list goes on.
The Jesus Movement was a Jewish movement for Jews. The new movement didn't become Christianity until it started to become populated with non-Jews. The abandonment of the necessity for keeping certain parts of the Law was part of the general movement away from the Jewish Jesus Movement to a more universal Christianity.

It was more-so a God planned and God prophesied messianic movement designed by God to become a church era period of grace, calling out a bride/host of recipients of the gospel of Jesus, inclusive of Jews and Gentiles, to be assembled at resurrection day for messiah/christ Jesus to rule and reign with him over the nations for the messianic millenial kingdom located, at Jerusalem in Israel.

Jesus first offered the Jews, himself, as messiah/king. The rejected him so he then opened it up to both Jews and Gentiles. Of course he fore-knew that that would happen, Jehovah inspired the OT prophets to predict.

He then allowed the Romans and other Gentiles to destroy the Temple, kill and persecute the Jews, finally to be scattered to all nations until the times of the Gentiles would be fullfilled as Jesus predicted on the Mt of Olives to the deciples before he was crucified.

I well remember the signficant 1967 Six Day War when the returned Jews marched within the wall ruins of the of the old city to the Temple Mount, as was prophesied, for the first time after some 19 centuries of global dispersion.

John writes:

Did this not happen?

You're implication that the movement was spontaneous by happenstance is what I see as scripturally problematic. It is depiced in both OT prophecy and NT text that it was more-so a God planned/designed movement for his purpose alone.

You're right, in that, according to Paul, they were first called Christians at Antioch.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 50 of 80 (666337)
06-26-2012 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by New Cat's Eye
06-25-2012 12:01 PM


Love Etc Not Law But Spirit
CS writes:

Here's my quick take on the issue: the jews made everything way too complicated with all their little rules about everything. Jesus came and explained that its not really that difficult; just love god and each other.

I believe the Apostle Paul attested to this in Galations 5:22,23. He said:

quote:
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance. Against such there is no law..

(Color mine for emphasis)
(spirit=God's Holy Spirit that dwells in the believer's body and soul, i.e. baptism of the Holy Spirit, i.e. New birth, i.e. receiving Jesus as savior and lord)

ABE: The Pharasee and Saducee Jews who had Jesus crucified and persecuted the apostles insisted on them obeying the letter of the Levitical law but had hate, murder, mean-ness, etc in their hearts.

Edited by Buzsaw, : As Noted


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool." :)


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