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Author Topic:   The Power of Belief
ringo
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Message 6 of 61 (666153)
06-22-2012 4:02 PM


There used to be a TV show called Fear Factor. At the beginning, the contestants would usually brag about how competitive they were. They seemed to believe that they could win just by believing harder than the rest.
My reaction was (yelling at the TV), "But can you do anything?" Often the most "competitive" would answer my question by doing a face plant in the first few minutes.
I'm a firm believer in setting goals that are difficult to achieve - but they do have to be attainable goals.

  
ringo
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Message 17 of 61 (666218)
06-24-2012 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dogmafood
06-24-2012 12:17 AM


Dogmafood writes:
There are limits to what you can do but are there limits to what can be done?
Individual self-confidence is one thing but some things can't be done alone. The two guys climbing the tree might both have gotten higher with a little cooperation.
If you want to go to the moon, you have to inspire others to self-confidence and confidence in you. You have to be a Kennedy - or a Hitler.

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ringo
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Message 26 of 61 (666282)
06-25-2012 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Dogmafood
06-24-2012 11:43 PM


Dogmafood writes:
And just look at what Hitler acheived by convincing people to agree with him.
That was my point. Hitler had to have an insane level of self-confidence to take on the world but people like that are a dime a dozen. You need the ability to infect others with self-confidence before you can achieve big things, good or bad. Charles Manson was a small-scale Hitler who would probably have been much less "successful" on his own. Kennedy was perhaps less megalomaniacal but no less infectious.
Edited by ringo, : Speling.
Edited by ringo, : Moe spelling.

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ringo
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Message 52 of 61 (667389)
07-06-2012 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Dogmafood
07-04-2012 9:58 AM


Re: The power of projection
Dogmafood writes:
Remember Victor Hugo's fictional character Jean Valjean and the impact that Bishop Myriel’s compassion and belief in his capacity to be a good person had on him?
That would be the power to infect others with confidence, again.

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ringo
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Message 55 of 61 (667551)
07-09-2012 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Dogmafood
07-09-2012 8:24 AM


Re: The power of projection
Dogmafood writes:
For many, the accuracy of the belief does not seem to be as important as the appeal of the belief. In fact the power of belief may be illuminated to a greater degree by false beliefs or unfalsifiable beliefs.
I'm becoming convinced that that's true of creationism. It's a club where they can feel superior without knowing anything.
Dogmafood writes:
It seems cruel to destroy something that obviously brings them some comfort.
Some of them enjoy it when you try.

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ringo
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Message 57 of 61 (667557)
07-09-2012 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Phat
07-09-2012 1:42 PM


Re: Knowing and Believing
Phat writes:
What is the main difference between knowing something to be true as opposed to merely believing it to be true?
A propos to the topic, a major difference is testing. No matter how strongly you believe you can jump the Mississippi, you'd be well advised to test your ability on a smaller body of water first. Once you know you can jump twenty feet, you might be justified in believing you can jump thirty, and so on.
If you believe God is a creationist, that's fine but if you think you know God is a creationist, you'd better have some test results to back you up.
Phat writes:
Is it dishonest intellectually for one to claim that they KNOW that what they believe to be true is, in fact, true?
Only if you know the difference between knowledge and belief.

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ringo
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Message 59 of 61 (667695)
07-11-2012 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Dogmafood
07-11-2012 12:01 AM


Re: Belief provides comfort
Dogmafood writes:
If holding such a belief allows someone to achieve these things what does it matter if the belief is right or wrong?
Snake handlers believe that God will protect them. If they survive, God did it. If they die, it's because their faith wasn't strong enough. That's hardly what I'd call a constructive belief.

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