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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I'm not sure how circumcision and female genital mutilation are at all comparable.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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General reply to all.
And your point? The risk factor is extremely low. There is not even much risk of future psychological trauma. I'm sorry but this just sounds like a bunch of folk trying to find yet another thing to whine about.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Nonsense.
Removing moles, even birthmarks is not considered child abuse. But if you are upset, then fine. But I honestly don't see a problem.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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No, I stand for the position that circumcision is not Genital Mutilation.
It really is that simple.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Correct, since circumcision is not genital mutilation it is none of my business and should be left up to the parents and their doctors.
That would depend on the specific female procedure and once that was determined then I would decide if I considered it mutilation or not. In general though my position is that unless a very compelling reason can be shown to outlaw any procedure that it is simply none of my business and should be left entire up to the family and their doctors.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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On Tattoos, I have no opinion and so believe that should be left up to the parents and their doctors.
On breast implants for 10 year olds...see above. I believe that I am not qualified to make judgements about what other folk do, but maybe that is only a humanists point of view.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What conditions do you have before something, anything is considered child abuse that society has a vested interest in stopping? Well first, I would need to be convinced that it is child abuse.
How about removal of the clitoral hood, one of the tamer versions of female circumcision. The one most akin to male circumcision. Would you be okay with that if the risks were the same as male circumcision? Again, that should be left up to the parents and their doctors. It really is none of my business.
What about branding? Would you be okay with parents branding their kids for religious reason? What about slicing off the pads of their fingertips? Okay with you? Neither of those things would leave a kid disfunctional and done properly would be very low risk. Yup, okay with me. Those seem really none of my business.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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That would depend on the specific individual circumstances. I don't think a child though has many rights.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Or is it just that you don't believe there's any such thing as a human right? I don't believe there is any such thing as a human right except those established by a State, culture or society and those rights are peculiar to that State, culture or society.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I don't believe in "human rights", as I said, except those established by a State, culture or society.
Yes, in the area under jurisdiction of that German judge, circumcision is declared to be child abuse. Fortunately I do not live in Germany. Nor am I pro-circumcision. I simply do not think I should have the right to tell another parent that they should not have their son circumcised.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Well, so far I have seen no evidence that circumcision causes any harm to the child.
Is it painful? Yes, but so are many other things that are a part of being a baby. I simply don't think I have a right to tell some other parent whether or not they can have their son, circumcised. I don't think anyone has any innate right to bodily integrity. When is comes to the issue of sexual abuse, I think we (speaking of the US) have gone way to far and become quite neurotic over the issue; however, as a State, culture or society we currently are in that neurotic and absurd position when that issue is considered. Again, it depends on the exact circumstances of each peculiar incident. That does not mean that I favor exploitation of children for sex or that the parent has a blanket right to force sex on a child.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I generally ignore sophomoric points.
Your post qualifies.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You may think I have that right, but I simply do not think I have that right.
My basis for my beliefs are my own personal experience and moral system as well as the ethos of the society I live in.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What is wrong with "Culture" as a justification of "circumcision"?
If your culture thinks it is "mutilation" then simply do not circumcise your children. But if another culture believes circumcision is not mutilation and that it should be done, then why should YOUR culture take precedence?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 140 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But we are not talking about everything, rather about circumcision.
Nothing else is even relevant.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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