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Author Topic:   German judge rules child circumcision as child abuse.
Rahvin
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Message 4 of 410 (666649)
06-29-2012 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
06-29-2012 10:55 AM


Re: Should be outlawed
It depends on the type of fgm. Some are worse, but others are fairly comparable.
In either case though were talking about permanent physiological changes for absolutely no medical purpose, in the case of male circucision before the age of consent or indees even language. Fgm typically of course occurs when the victim is at least able to say no and be violated anyway.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 8 of 410 (666656)
06-29-2012 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
06-29-2012 11:26 AM


Re: Should be outlawed
Only because you come from a culture where its normal and accepted. Cutting off any other bit of a baby even if relatively harmless would be viewed as child abuse. Circumcision is granted exception only due to cultural inertia.
My body was modified for no medical reason without my consent. I think thats pretty fucked up.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 136 of 410 (666832)
06-29-2012 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Buzsaw
06-29-2012 9:13 PM


Re: Should be outlawed
So...cutting skin off of a penis somehow relates not just as a correlation, but is in fact somehow a cause of increased wealth accumulation and cultural survival (side note: holy shit that's racist). You cannot tell us how penile skin removal causes these things, but you believe the causal relationship to be there; you can be no more specific than telling us that "there must be a good reason that God told us to do it."
Huh.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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