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Author Topic:   German judge rules child circumcision as child abuse.
Buzsaw
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Message 135 of 410 (666827)
06-29-2012 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Jazzns
06-29-2012 4:11 PM


Re: Should be outlawed
Jazzns writes:
And you are not taking into account the notion of risk TO OTHER PEOPLE. Namely, the children being mutilated.
Circumcision is in no way a form of mutilation. Removing a child's tonsils when not necessarily would be more mutilative to children. It's is a Biblical procedure for a good purpose. It is to tone down a child's desire for sex before maturity. It likely lessens criminal rape incidents, etc,
God commanded his messianic nation, the Jews to have this done on the eighth day. Providentially, the eighth day is the day when the proceedure is the less painful and heals the quickest. This is just another evidence of the credibility of the Biblical record.
We had our boys circumcised, though we are not Jewish, since we knew there had to be a good reason to have it done or God wouldn't have required it of the Jews.
History attests to the fact that Jews, for the most part are a special people, capable of great feats, though they are a very tiny nation. The have a way of acquiring wealth, protecting themselves and surviving for centuries of dispersion globally. Circumcision, likely is just one of many reasons they are superior to Gentiles in many ways.
The child gets his first corporal spanking at birth, rendering no harm, yet our laws forbid parents, teachers and principals to apply this effective way of correcting bad behavior. Government meddles in too many things which should apply to parents.
Baby rights pertaining to matters as trivial as circumcision is as non-sensical as pet rights.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 410 (666840)
06-30-2012 8:55 AM


Re: Yada Responses
I've read all of the responses to my last message, narry a one containing any substance significant for a response from me, except the unsupportable belief that some babies have died from this alone.
FYI, hospitals these days do not wait 8 days. My two boys were circumcised at birth, with no adverse effects and certainly no significant amount of bleeding. Of course, they were immediately coddled and observed by my wife and I. Other than some short lived crying, nothing significant at all.
Hospitals do this as an accomodation to parents who see it's benefits. Certainly, if there were all this so called mutulation and death etc, our hospitals and MD's nor law inforcement would have none of it.
One definite benefit is to the woman in intercourse. Body contaminants accumilate underneath the foreskin. Likely, often males who are not careful to keep these cleaned out would contaminate their partner in intercourse inside of her. Circumcised organs would not have this problem.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 156 of 410 (666861)
06-30-2012 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by vimesey
06-30-2012 12:57 PM


Re: Should be outlawed
vimesey writes:
you see the bit where I said "every one of those deaths". That means all of them. Not just one, not just several, but all of them. The link which you haven't read yet refers to the author's opinion that there are in excess of 100 infant deaths each year in the United States, attributable to circumcision.
We all have our opinions. The author's opinion, also, is just that - an opinion. What are the facts, supported by evidence, in any of this? So far, I've read of none.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 157 of 410 (666862)
06-30-2012 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by xongsmith
06-30-2012 11:18 AM


Re: Should be outlawed
xongsmith writes:
...yes, no one is trying to botch it (except for a handful of lunatics that may possibly get into a position to do that intentionally that I mentioned).
It's not apt because no one (other than a handful of the other lunatics mentioned) is trying to cause a small injury to a male infant, causing bleeding and pain, on their way to church.
Can you cite one bonafide example of lunatics having purposely caused injury or death via circumcision?
Maybe there's an organization that provides skillful drivers who are trained to sideswipe a telephone pole on the way - who are so skilled they can exact a precisely shaped cut on the infant with 99.98% accuracy - who the driver & spouse have now hired because of their adherence to a religious or cultural habit handed down for thousands of years. I haven't heard of one. Have you?
How about an example of a circumcision which has not been performed, exacting a precisely shaped cut on the infant with 99.98% accuracy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 166 of 410 (666886)
06-30-2012 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Jazzns
06-30-2012 4:13 PM


Re: Yada Responses
That is because a few minutes after birth your sons were given a Vit-K shot which activates their ability to clot. Without that shot, the body starts to produce it on its own in....about a week.
Coincidence or divine revelation?
Divine revelation, since the eighth day would require nothing.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 175 of 410 (666905)
07-01-2012 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Coyote
06-30-2012 11:05 PM


Re: Banned?
Banned?
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Coyote writes:
This and all other forms of ritual genital mutilation should be banned on underage victims.
After that, they can do any silly things to themselves that they choose.
You have yet to establish that circumcision mutilates a child. You have yet to refute the cited benefits of circumcision.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 190 of 410 (666926)
07-01-2012 12:08 PM


Bump For Responses
I see, my last few message pertinent points have not been responded to; must be nobody has a valid responses, or what?
Edited by Buzsaw, : change "the" to "my"

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

  
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