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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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Explain what this link claims.
You actually believe the CRA caused the bank meltdown? The subprime market was not the driver of the bank meltdown. It has become the scapegoat. Here is an analysis by that socialist organization Bloomberg. As you probably wont go to the link to read the whole piece I will post it all here.
quote: Bloomberg - Are you a robot? You really should look for information from reputable sources that use real facts and figures. It is best to stay away from the rantings of a libertarian nobody, that uses the writings of a conservative think tank as his evidence. Edited by Theodoric, : punctFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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The government wanted minorities and certain neighborhoods to obtain loans regardless of ability to repay.
But you have no facts to back this up do you.I see you refuse to look at the actual facts and instead just parrot the propaganda you hear. Show us some evidence to back up this assertion. Not a link that also parrots the same assertion with no evidence.
The government severely punishes other businesses who do not comply with regulations and demands already.
That is why they are called regulations. But there was no regulation that you are asserting.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Foreverdelusional writes: Without the US government there would be no US economy. And a government without marxists running the show forming regulations with an anti business attitude, would help the US economy to be at least 10 times bigger than it is.
In fact the US government is the biggest investor in any US business And the government is the biggest killer of small businesses and the biggest cause of poverty in this country.
they invest trillions annually to create and maintain the economic environment that makes business possible in the US. The trillions they invest mostly takes money out of productive hands and puts it into non productive hands who do nothing but create demand. Other than roads, bridges, schools and other infrastructure, the money is put into non productive means. It does nothing to create an environment for business; all it does is provide demand for the economy. All demand and no productivity equals low standard of living and greater levels of poverty in the end. We're being Poe'd aren't we. No reasonably educated adult could be this wrong about how the economy works. Could they?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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More BS from BZ.
4. Romney comes from the liberal East, whereas Ryan comes from a more moderate mainstream area of America. Romney was raised in Bloomfield Hills, MI. Not really the liberal east is it. Edited by Theodoric, : its Buz not BusFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Well you obviously have basic comprehension issues. Your hatred for Obama(based on what I am not sure) has completely clouded your ability to make reasonable conclusions.
Have you even read what he said in context?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
But that isn't really what Buz said is it? If Buz wants to make the clarification why dont you let him defend himself instead of you trying to determine what he meant by clairvoyance.
Buz's list has been shown to be all BS. Maybe you can support more of his outlandish claims. ABEUsing your criteria Ryan is not from the "mainstream"(wonder how the rest of the country feels about that moniker) midwest. quote:Source In 1998 he was elected to congress and has been a denizen of Washington since. I realize he lives parttime in WI too, but Mitt lives parttime in lots of places besides "liberal" northeast. Edited by Theodoric, : More infoFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Don't they pay taxes? That sir is the rub. Look at the amount of taxes they pay. Hardly adequate for a lot of the larger corporations considering the burden that they put on infrastructure, social services and other things that fall under government purview.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
The small businesses that working people have built themselves don't pay near enough in taxes? How much do they pay and how much should they pay? If Obama's speach was softening those people up for taxes, then Romney's ad is right that they don't want to vote for him. Please show where this was said. Please show where the President is planning on raising taxes on small business people. I think the whole definition of small business needs to be determined if the small business argument .
according to SBAquote: Some of those are quite large concerns. If a small business owner is making huge amounts of money then maybe he should pay more in taxes. This whole poor small business argument is just a right wing canard. Lets look at more figures. From people that actually looked at actual numbers.
quote:Source Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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And don't bother with the copy pasta, please make your points in your own words.
I did and then I provided evidence. You might want to try some to support your unevidenced assertions. Since you are having some trouble let me spell it out.Most small business people do not make a lot of income. The vast majority do not fall in to the tiers that their taxes would be increased by an proposal of Obama or the democrats. You see this is not an unevidenced assertion Obama was talking to individuals who have a business and telling them that they didn't get there on their own because of all the help they had from other people and the government. Why was he specifically pointing that out? HMM?? Because it is true. From that you leap to the conclusion that he wants small business people to pay more in taxes. Maybe you should o research on what he proposes for taxes and what small business owners make in income.
Sure, maybe. How much are they paying and how much should they be paying?
Is this rhetorical question day? Either make your point or not. Do you have a point to make on this so I can respond?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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Of course. Obama was talking to individuals who've "got a business". Why would he be pointing that out to those people unless he's implying that they aren't paying their fair share? Wow. What a bizarre interpretation. Maybe he was trying to remind people that we are a society and we do not live in a vacuum. He is expressing solid time tested free market values. The views expressed are the core of free market theory developed by Adam Smith. Conservatives and libertarians really should see what Smith wrote before they use him as their standard bearer. I do not think he was implying this at all. If you inferred that it is your issue not his or anyone elses. Here are his words.
quote: His own words. Sorry I don't feel I should put them in my own words. Would kind of defeat the purpose. Now where in there do you see him implying that small business people are not paying enough taxes?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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None of the anti-Obama arguments have seemed to stand up to scrutiny.
The utter lack of an argument on the right is summed by the outlandish attempts to take Obama's "you didn't" speech and try to turn it into some sort of fifth column attack on small business people. Then when they can show no where in the text does he say what they claim, then we are supposed to accept the argument that there is some sort of secret message in his tone and body language. The argument has gone from the ridiculous to the more ridiculous. To accept this argument we would have to accept that Barack Obama is a moron. Why would he make an attack upon a significant portion of the electorate? Yeah Obama is mocking people who started their own business. Right. The arguments have gotten silly.
petro writes:
Really? Where does he say that? Where does he say people should not take credit for their endeavors? Where does he say that everyone is dependent on the government? Are all teachers evil cause he mentioned them?
You know he wonders about people who take credit for what they do. Strange because I don't. petro again writes: As an aside what kind of mentally deranged person would spend over a million dollars just to keep people from seeing his birth certificate? Really? And you have the evidence for this. Just because Donald Trump says something doesn't make it true. Will Obama lose? Hell if I know. But the reasons put forth by the rightwing are not likely to be the reason if he loses. The arguments put forth are based on spin and lies. Yes outright lies. Took $700 billion from Medicare. Lie.No one built there own business. Lie. Not natural born US citizen. Lie. Obama is a despot. Lie. Romney has few if any positives going into the home stretch. All he has is attacks. He is in high dudgeon whenever his record as a business man, governor or Olympics guy is brought up or questioned. He refuses to outline his economic plan. He and Mr. Ryan claim to have some sort of magical way to fix the economy but refuse to tell us until after the election. Right. Supply side economics doesn't work. We have 30 years of it to prove that. How far do we cut taxes on the rich and corporations before this miraculous prosperity for all begins? Tax cuts do not pay for themselves. Mitt Romney and Donald Trump are not job creators. Taxing them more will not slow job creation, it will actually create jobs. When corporations and extremely wealthy people are taxed more that tend to invest more in their companies. Instead of sending money to the government there is more incentive to plow it back into the company. That way more jobs are created and more innovation happens instead of businesses stagnating or getting raped for short term gains.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. |
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