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Message 8 of 311 (667790)
07-12-2012 10:55 AM
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07-12-2012 12:14 AM


We visited my sister over last weekend. Her husband is a Phd engineer working for caterpillar. He blames all of cat's problems with the union striking on the health care reform. He said cat is considering dropping everyone's health insurance and just pays for the penalty because it will be cheaper.
I would have asked him why Cat payed for employee health insurance when there were no penalties whatsoever for not providing it. I wonder what his answer would have been.
I believe he represents a very large portion of the American populace. Just blame all their problems on the health care reform.
Latest poll numbers put an even split between those who approve and disapprove of the ACA.
Public Remains Split on Health Care Bill, Opposed to Mandate | Pew Research Center
This is an improvement over previous polls where more people disapproved than approved. The numbers are going in the right direction as people learn exactly what is in the bill and how it improves their lives.

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Message 9 of 311 (667791)
07-12-2012 10:56 AM
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07-12-2012 2:57 AM


But think about it for a moment. I firmly believe that if you repeat a lie long enough people will begin to believe it.
That may be true amongst the Rep base, but independents will be swayed by the facts which are on the side of the ACA and the Dem party.

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Message 19 of 311 (667855)
07-12-2012 7:52 PM
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07-12-2012 2:45 PM


But there are still a hell of a lot of people who continue to believe in the disinformation that the republican base have been putting out there.
I suspect the problem is that they want to believe that the misinformation is true. They really are a lost cause. They just do not like Obama. Period. They will cling to anything that casts Obama in a poor light, even if it doesn't pass the sniff test.
Of course, I could be dead wrong about your friend specifically, but it is an attitude that I see in the general populace (and amongst some of my own family members . . . ugh).

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Message 20 of 311 (667856)
07-12-2012 7:58 PM
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07-12-2012 5:05 PM


Re: Fortunately
As a European living in the US I just don't understand why Obama still isn't miles ahead of Romney. The Republicans (or at least the ones who make the most noise) are so obviously anti-poor-people, anti-women, anti-any-religion-except-christianity, anti-science and I probably forgot a few there; so why would anyone still want to vote for them (except the 1%)?
Mainly because they pretend to be anti-secularists. There is still a very strident conservative christian streak in this country that sees secularism as Satan. People are willing to forgive policies that are detrimental to them as long as secularism does not win. I think it is instructive that we elected a black president before we elected an overtly atheist president.

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Message 105 of 311 (668149)
07-17-2012 6:09 PM
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07-17-2012 5:49 PM


Re: BAIN
You seem to forget the huge Obama scandal going on right now..
It is the same scandal that has rocked the Obama administration from the very start. He has the unlucky habit of being right about inconvenient facts.

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Message 186 of 311 (669172)
07-27-2012 5:34 PM
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07-27-2012 5:30 PM


Re: didn't pay a cent
Everybody has those things, its when smart people work hard that businesses emerge.
No one is disagreeing that hard working people create great businesses. What Obama was pointing out is that they would not have that business if it were not for the infrastructure that government has built. Government supplies the tools that people need to make a strong businesses.
I don't think so. We all pay taxes towards those things.
Well, those of us who don't have overseas tax shelters.

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Message 256 of 311 (670371)
08-13-2012 1:20 PM
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08-13-2012 11:09 AM


Re: A clear choice
With Romney's selection of Ryan, we now see a stark contrast between two very different visions for America.
Indeed. With Ryan as the VP candidate I think Romney just lost Florida. Given the high number of Florida voters that rely on SS and Medicare I can't imagine that they will win over independent voters, or energize the Republican base, when your veep wants to gut those very programs.

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