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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Does the president's gender matter? You've asked a series of questions each of which seems to suggest that one poster or the other is an idiot. If you go back and read Jazzns post, it is pretty clear that he is proposing that a specific woman, namely Elizabeth Warren, might become president.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It is actually those who are politically active and informed that are listened to the most. The ones who are not active or informed are the ones most influenced by political ads. If you want to win you must listen to the informed and to those who provide you money to put out ads. If you want to win, you must listen influence the largest number of voters. That does not necessarily mean influencing politically active or informed voters, but it might mean getting influential ones on your side. In fact, winning might very well mean duping uninformed voters. I'd also disagree that dirt poor people and uninformed people are predominantly conservative, or that becoming informed means being fed predominantly a conservative or liberal message. Being informed means being provided facts regardless of which side they favor. Of course, it appears that reality itself has a liberal bias, so perhaps that's one way to justify what you are saying. If fair and balanced means equal time based on ideology, perhaps ultra-conservatives do need a thumb on the scale.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Luckily us 'lazy bastards' outnumber folks like your brother-in-law. A substantial number of 'us' think and vote just like the brother-in-law. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Romney quoted in the article cited by ramoss...
quote: As if Obama's position on Israel is different from any other presidents. Didn't Bush insist on and get Israeli restraint during the war with Iraq? Was such insistence to be considered not respecting the right of a nation to defend itself?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
foreveryoung writes: There is nothing lying about that ad. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits. Dr. Adequate writes: You are not so stupid that you don't know what he meant. There is another possible meaning of fy's statement. The Republican ad is a distortion of what Obama actually said, but that distortion would not be a lie if Obama actually believes something similar to that distortion. It also would not be a lie, strictly speaking, if the person behind the ad believed the distortion. In other words, it isn't a lie if you actually believe it. For good or ill, some people believe all kinds of things about Obama regardless of what he actually says and does and despite all evidence to the contrary. I have no doubt that Buzsaw believes everything he says about Obama, no matter how ridiculous. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It's not improbable that Obama will win the electoral college vote but lose the popular vote, in which case look out for a lot of red states signing up for this. What would be the enforcement mechanism for such an agreement? I am trying to imagine all of the red states following the agreement when a cross-dressing, liberal, socialist, candidate wins the popular vote. I find it difficult to imagine a court enforcing the agreement. Presently, there is no clear constitutional mandate for the electors to even follow their states orders on how to vote.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
t's possible for states to sign legally binding treaties with one another. What exactly would happen if one of them reneged on such a treaty I don't know, but I do know that they can do it. That's my point. Currently a sizable number of states, many of them red states, do not even attempt to bind their delegates to voting as per the state election results. No one has ever been punished for failing to do so.
The Electoral College
quote: State signs binding agreement; State elector votes for the Libertarian candidate instead of Romney, and state does .... ????Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It's like if they were Jews in Germany and could easily ... Gratuitous Hitler reference noted. Godwin vindicated again.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The small businesses that working people have built themselves don't pay near enough in taxes? How much do they pay and how much should they pay? If Obama's speach was softening those people up for taxes, then Romney's ad is right that they don't want to vote for him. Perhaps they won't want to vote for Obama because they don't want to pay higher taxes. But the ad proposes a completely different reason. Unless you believe that a lie is okay in the service of a good cause, they your argument is not germane. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
And romney's dad was an american citizen. What about obama's dad? Wooossshhhh!!!Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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