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Coragyps
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Message 226 of 311 (670297)
08-12-2012 9:39 AM


prediction
You read it here first: I agree with Bluescat about arrogance and stupidity, and would like to add profound ignorance to the list. Therefore, I will predict that the November vote here in Scurry County, Texas, will be in excess of 80% for Romney/Ryan. I will buy Buzsaw a sixpack of organic, halal, non-alcoholic beer if the margin is less than this.

I worry about the country, too.


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foreveryoung
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Message 227 of 311 (670298)
08-12-2012 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Percy
08-11-2012 9:15 AM


Re: Negative Ads
You're saying that political debate seeks a level appropriate to the electorate, and I agree, but in my mind anyone descending to this level doesn't deserve the job. What I find shocking is the lack of outrage at, for example, Romney's distortion ads using Obama's "You didn't build that" sound bite. That's not framing the issue to your own advantage - that's lying.

There is nothing lying about that ad. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits.


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ProtoTypical
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Message 228 of 311 (670299)
08-12-2012 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Percy
08-11-2012 9:15 AM


Re: Negative Ads
Participating by voting would make be feel slimy.

Imo, you should at least go and have your name crossed off the voters list.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 229 of 311 (670301)
08-12-2012 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
08-12-2012 10:01 AM


Re: Negative Ads
There is nothing lying about that ad. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits.

You are not so stupid that you don't know what he meant. You are not such a drooling retarded halfwit that you don't know what he meant. You are not such a pitiful gibbering lunatic that you don't know what he meant. You are not such a driveling cretinous mentally-incapable idiot that you don't know what he meant. So perhaps you could stop pretending that you really are that stupid in order to score a political point which you won't actually score 'cos of you talking to sane people.


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onifre
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Message 230 of 311 (670302)
08-12-2012 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
08-12-2012 10:01 AM


Mad Men
There is nothing lying about that ad.

Did you read Obama's entire statement?

Here it is:

quote:
Obama, July 13:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.


You don't think it's dishonest to take from that entire speech, a single sentence, completely out of context, and spin it to mean something totally different?

You feel that's proper campaigning?

You don't feel that's lying to the public?

Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits.

It clearly shows Obama saying the complete opposite of that. Yet you remain convinced otherwise.

Why? What's your proof?

- Oni

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


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nwr
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Message 231 of 311 (670307)
08-12-2012 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by Buzsaw
08-12-2012 7:59 AM


Re: Ryan Good; Very Good
Buzsaw writes:
OTO, your Muslo-commie stealth one who has yet to prove he went to Columbia and has forged a fake birth cirtificate has a double barreled 10 gauge political shot gun aimed at him.

I'm giving your post a cheer for humor (even if unintended).

We need a "Poe of the month" thread.


Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 232 of 311 (670311)
08-12-2012 12:16 PM


Auden, September 1st, 1939
All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

  
Percy
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Message 233 of 311 (670316)
08-12-2012 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ProtoTypical
08-12-2012 10:02 AM


Re: Negative Ads
Dogmafood writes:

Participating by voting would make be feel slimy.

Imo, you should at least go and have your name crossed off the voters list.

You left out the important part:

Percy in Message 218 writes:

Call me naive, but it looks likely I'll sit out another presidential election. Participating by voting would make be feel slimy.

I'm only sitting out the presidential election. If I removed myself from the voters list I couldn't vote in any election.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 234 of 311 (670317)
08-12-2012 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
08-12-2012 10:01 AM


Re: Negative Ads
foreveryoung writes:

There is nothing lying about that ad. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits.

Seriously? That doesn't even make sense. Do you even know anyone who believes that? I don't normally look on Dr Adequate's more denigrating posts with any favor, but his Message 229 seems appropriate in this case.

If Obama really meant what the Romney ad has him saying, why did they have to edit the speech? Could it be because they couldn't find Obama actually saying what they want people to think he believes?

Anyway, if what was clear to everyone else wasn't clear to you, all Obama was saying in that part of his speech is that government plays an important role in every business success by providing necessary infrastructure, like bridges, roads, and essential services like water, sewer, firefighting, police, regulatory enforcement, etc. He was trying to make the point that it isn't just business alone that contributes to the success of America. It's a partnership between business and government.

--Percy


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RAZD
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Message 235 of 311 (670318)
08-12-2012 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Percy
08-12-2012 1:34 PM


Re: Negative Ads
Hi Percy

I'm only sitting out the presidential election. ...

So who do you want to pick the next supreme court justice?

Do you think Ciitizen's United "a corporation is a person" should be overturned or do you want the ads to become even more negative?

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : .


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anglagard
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Message 236 of 311 (670320)
08-12-2012 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Coragyps
08-12-2012 9:39 AM


Re: prediction
Coragyps writes:

You read it here first: I agree with Bluescat about arrogance and stupidity, and would like to add profound ignorance to the list. Therefore, I will predict that the November vote here in Scurry County, Texas, will be in excess of 80% for Romney/Ryan.

Last time out, Howard County went 75% for McCain/Palin so I predict a similar outcome next round.

As for arrogance, stupidity, and profound ignorance, I would like to add hatred. Isn't everything bigger in Texas?

To intentionally vote to take money away from the bottom 99.99% to enrich the top .01% takes more hatred of others, and indeed self-hate, than I will ever possibly understand.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 237 of 311 (670321)
08-12-2012 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Percy
08-12-2012 1:34 PM


Re: Negative Ads
Percy writes:

I'm only sitting out the presidential election.

Being in a swing state like New Hampshire, at least your vote for president would count a lot more than mine will.

Sure wish the electoral college was abolished, then our votes would be equal. As it stands now, I and those few other dissenters are functionally disenfranchised from voting for president in the one party dictatorship that is Texas.

Red state, indeed.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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RAZD
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Message 238 of 311 (670322)
08-12-2012 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by anglagard
08-12-2012 4:11 PM


Re: Negative Ads
Hi anglagard,

Sure wish the electoral college was abolished, then our votes would be equal. As it stands now, I and those few other dissenters are functionally disenfranchised from voting for president in the one party dictatorship that is Texas.

Not gonna happen as would need an amendment to the constitution.

What would be better -- imho -- would be to go to representational division of representatives AND no release of results UNTIL the electoral college.

That way the western states would feel disenfranchised AND if a state (say Florida?) had a questionable result they could run a second election rather than have a circus.

Enjoy.


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Message 239 of 311 (670323)
08-12-2012 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by anglagard
08-12-2012 4:11 PM


Hidalgo County
One thing I like about this area is that it is surprisingly liberal and in the 2008 election went almost 3 to 1 for Obama.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 240 of 311 (670326)
08-12-2012 7:15 PM
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08-12-2012 4:22 PM


Re: Negative Ads
Not gonna happen as would need an amendment to the constitution.

It would require an amendment to abolish the electoral college, but to change the system so that the guy who wins the popular vote is elected, all that's required is that a bunch of states which between them have a majority of the electoral college should sign a binding agreement that they'll give their electoral college delegates to whoever actually wins the election. A number of states have already done this, contingent on enough other states joining the agreement.

It's not improbable that Obama will win the electoral college vote but lose the popular vote, in which case look out for a lot of red states signing up for this.


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