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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3877 Joined: |
Someone needed to do a restart of the above cited topic. Closing in about 15 minutes. Adminnemooseus Added by edit: 30 minutes have passed. Closing now. In the future, if someone wishes to return to on-topic, they can request that this topic be reopened. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above. Or something like that©.
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Admin Director Posts: 12578 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
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jar Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined:
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America was a land of small towns and travel outside was just something that didn't happen all that often. There were no interstates, air planes and trains were how the other folk got around. Cars were not all that reliable and every journey, even a day trip, was an adventure. To get from Baltimore to the Eastern Shore you either drove up to Delaware and down the coastal back roads or took a ferry across the Bay. People married people that lived in their community. In many towns most everyone was related and second third and kissin cousin made sense. In addition, infant mortality from all causes was higher than today. In such settings marrying someone closely related would not be all that unusual and if you look at the charts in The 44 Chromosome Man you see that it is possible to have viable kids that pass on the trait. And it's those successes that count. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Paul Choa Junior Member (Idle past 2237 days) Posts: 5 Joined: |
God is the author of both Bible and natural laws. there is no way they shall have conflict Big Bang has no conflict to the Creation of unversed and The scientist called evolution is simply nature following God's order and grew out all the creatures. there is no conflict with Bible. the only conflict is at Human creation. bible clearly used three times "bara" to describe "human creation". evolution cannot explain how human was created. gen. Ch 2 "Bara" was used to describe the creation of the universe gen 1:1. I can spend some time to explain how spiritual big bang is - match with Bible. May not match the subject of this blog. The "bara" used for human creation is basically pointing to the breath God give human and from that point the earth has a new animal, which has spirit in it. that is a new creation. Now let's focus on the spirit part of the human. What is the function of spirit? Wasn't those nasty scientists claimed that the brain is the mind and the mind is the brain there is nothing called spirit? First of all that is not all the scientists believed. Second, you may need to understand that model describe all the animals and part of human pretty accurately. Too much to write I may have to upload some for you guys to read. Stop here right now.. God bless you all! Paul
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Percy Member Posts: 18262 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Hmmm, I think Catholic Scientist may have had a much better bead on you than I originally thought (for those wondering what the heck I'm talking about, see Message 170). This thread has a topic. If you'd like to discuss something else you should propose a topic over at Proposed New Topics. --Percy
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Paul Choa Junior Member (Idle past 2237 days) Posts: 5 Joined: |
Let me slow down. The 48 or 46 chromosomes issue is not critical. Neanderthal or denisova may have 48 chromosomes and even we human some time can have 48 chromosomes (some produced serious problems due to over expression by genes from those extra chromosomes) this is not the key to differentiate human and other animals without spirits. It is the spirit making the difference not the brain size. Neanderthal has a big brain than human, elephant and whale have big brains than that of human. If our discussion cannot get back to the big picture and the purpose of this EVC web site I think we probably get into a wrong place. God Bless all of you
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Percy Member Posts: 18262 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
If you go back and read Message 1 you'll see that this thread sprang out of an earlier thread where someone claimed that while evolution could produce change within a species, it could not produce change from one species to another. The example of the fusion of human chromosome 2 was introduced and gave rise to this thread where it was hoped we could discuss how this fusion could arise in an evolving population and produce speciation. Tying speciation into larger issues like why humans have spirits and other animals do not would be a fascinating discussion but is not the topic of this thread. If that's what you would like to talk about then you may want to propose a new thread over at Proposed New Topics. --Percy
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herebedragons Member Posts: 1493 From: Michigan Joined: |
HBD Edited by herebedragons, : deleted post and moved to PNT Edited by herebedragons, : updated thread link Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
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RAZD Member Posts: 19732 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
... OR your interpretation of the bible is faulty indeed. Curiously, seeing as there is extensive evidence of vast numbers of Christians with different interpretations, and there is extensive evidence of the validity of science, the logical conclusion is that when your interpretation conflicts with science that it is your interpretation that is at fault. Which is more likely to be at fault:
Evidence from science, such as the evidence of the fusion of chromosome 2 during the evolution of humans from apes (to refer to the topic), shows that evolution is the best explanation, not some interpretation of the bible. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : added list by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 1867 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The church people need remember that what they have been taught starting in those once heavily attended Sunday Schools was not thought so important to be analyzed and reformed as scientific knowledge expanded over the last century. The stories were written with a style that made them readable and simple and generally acceptable for audiences that were different during different ages. The church people who hold to these thoughtless ways of teaching their young people have merely continued to do exactly the same things that their founders of centuries past had been doing. Clearly, no where in Genesis does the Bible say the Sun was created after the Earth. Everywhere, the archaic medieval story told to kindergarten age children has been thoughtless presented as a primer to indoctrinating them about a Higher Power than the Free Will they are growing to exercise. What you say about the Church interpretation is no just correct, but dangerously implying that the bible can be dismissed because these readers misinterpret it.
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Eli Member (Idle past 1539 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Anyone, whether indoctrinated or not, can pick up a bible and plainly see that the claims you make are not actually in the bible. It has nothing to do with traditionalism. It has to do with acheiving a comprehensive reading level and understanding context, which you clearly struggle with.
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