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Message 34 of 236 (668634)
07-23-2012 11:44 AM


(cough) gun control (cough)
I thought I'd just drop it in; you never know it may just be a minor contributing factor. Possibly.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Message 54 of 236 (668677)
07-23-2012 6:06 PM


You know, this is quite, quite insane. Assault rifle, bump firing, banana magazine....it's all an incomprehensible euphemism and pedantry.
Why would any civilised society allow these sort of weapons to be legally owned by its citizens? And why fein surprise when a fruit-loop uses them for their intended purpose?

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Message 58 of 236 (668681)
07-23-2012 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by New Cat's Eye
07-23-2012 2:31 PM


Re: Death penalty
CS writes:
I just read online that the prosecution is going to wait to see if they're going to pursue the death penalty until after speaking with the families of the victims. I think that's a good way to go about it; If the families of the victims think they'll feel better if this guy gets the death penalty, then that's reason enough for me.
I have a problem with this.
The deal we have with the state is that we hand over the punishment of crimes against us to the state on the understanding that they will independently and objectively deal with the offence.
One reason we do this is to prevent knee jerk and violent retribution by those who are understandably distraught by their loss. It seems to me to be an abrogation of the state's role in playing out their disinterested role of justice to ask the victims families how they should proceed.
How many finger nails should we pull out before we flay him, 1, 3, 7 or 10?

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Message 163 of 236 (668818)
07-24-2012 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by New Cat's Eye
07-24-2012 1:08 PM


Re: Death penalty
CS writes:
I don't see it as them asking the vicitims' families how they should proceed, I see it as them considering the wishes of the families as part of their objective assessment of the situation.
Well of course you can see it any way you like, but the fact is that the state is consulting with the victims about whether to execute him or not. That is not likely to result in an objective assessment and is never done for any other situation. You don't think perhaps this might just possibly be political PR?
None. And he should be put to death as quickly and painlessly as possible.
Well now you don't seem to want to take the wishes of the victims family into consideration at all, you want to do what you want to do. But what if the victim's family wanted to cut small pieces off him for a month or so? Why make the options only death or life imprisonment? And suppose the victims family were all nice liberals and didn't want the death penalty but the rest of society insisted on it? What then?

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