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Message 109 of 181 (670381)
08-13-2012 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by ringo
08-13-2012 12:15 PM


Canadian Protesting
Onifre writes:
Hey, we do it for you guys and the third world countries so they can feel good about themselves.
Canadians are so polite that we always let the other guy go first. At the finish line it's, "Oh I'm sorry. After you."
Is this really how you all protest?:

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Message 113 of 181 (670455)
08-15-2012 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by bluegenes
08-15-2012 9:39 AM


Re: Is the U.S.A. a top sporting culture?
Is the U.S.A. a top sporting culture?
No, not really.
What the 104 medals tell you is what you already know: that you are by far the largest of the world's wealthy countries.
That's all we needed to hear.
But if you want to measure the "culture" aspect you are pretty ordinary.
Why would we want to measure our victory of the game by ignoring the major contributing factors and focusing on the least?
Could the U.S. possibly get 320 medals in a modern Olympics? Hypothetically, yes.
Are you trying to tell us that we are so awesome that if we could get our culture right then we could make a huge joke of the whole games like that?
Now that you meantion it,
Is the U.S.A. a top sporting culture?
Sorta, we are. Not because of our culture itself, but since we so awesome in the other regards that we were victorious, then that kinda creates its own culture... of winning.

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Message 166 of 181 (670962)
08-21-2012 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Modulous
08-20-2012 2:48 PM


USA won... big deal, wanna fight about it?
In short - it's practically impossible to say that one country impressively 'won' the Olympics in any sense.
Rather than defining "winning" as something that is practically impossible to say that one country did, why not just define it as whoever wins the most medals (weighted or otherwise)? For each event, the winners are the ones who got medals, so whichever country won the most medals won the most events and, therefore, very straightforwardly won the Olympics. You could even break it down by category: Russia won Rythmic Gymnastics, China won Badminton, etc.
The only problem I see with this is that this makes the Olympics, as a whole, have very little to do with that "sporting culture" or whatever was mentioned before. Its more about who is the biggest and richest country. I can see why people would be turned off by that, but its a fact nonetheless.
All it really does is make the saying that the US won the Olympics loose any realy value as a claim of something of any importance.
And for bluegenes to come out saying that if you disregard the biggest factors in winning the Olympics (size and money) then the US doesn't look all that impressive in its last remaining stat just looks like poor loser talk to me.
(and 1984 doesn't count, I think)
Why not? Does hosting affect your medal count, or something? Should that be taken into account for y'alls number of medals this year?

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Message 167 of 181 (670963)
08-21-2012 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by bluegenes
08-15-2012 3:31 PM


Re: Is the U.S.A. a top sporting culture?
Why would you need to hear what you already know? And why would that knowledge be reason for celebration after the Olympics any more than before?
We want to hear that you know it.
Catholic Scientist writes:
Why would we want to measure our victory of the game by ignoring the major contributing factors and focusing on the least?
In a way, I'm suggesting that that's exactly what you are doing when you regard the results as a "victory".
You acknowledge that we won based on "wealth, size, and culture/ethnicity.", point out that our culture stat was ordinary, and then say that measuring by that we aren't really the winners. And now you say that's what we're doing... That's just loser talk.
I'm pointing out that you're anything but awesome when it comes to sport. That's not to take anything away from the excellent individuals who did get medals. But there's no point in Americans seeing the team performance as a point of national pride or "victory" when average European standards would mean about another 70 or so medals from a population like yours.
And if we had your culture stat, we'd turn the Olympics into a joke with our 300+ medals. But really the point of our claim to winning the Olympics is really just acknowledging that we're the biggest and best country.

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Message 169 of 181 (670965)
08-21-2012 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Straggler
08-21-2012 11:46 AM


Re: USA won... big deal, wanna fight about it?
Meh, its still poor loser talk:
"Yeah, you won, but you really didn't play that well!"

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Message 171 of 181 (670968)
08-21-2012 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Straggler
08-21-2012 11:54 AM


Re: Greatest Country In The World....
Pfft, whatever, we totally kicked ass at the Olympics.

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Message 178 of 181 (671133)
08-22-2012 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by ringo
08-22-2012 1:34 PM


Re: Paralympics - How Much Does Anyone Genuinely Care?
In my opinion, those sports that constantly improve our capabilities are more "worthy" than, say football, which is really just a game.
Unlike hockey, which is just a combination of three activities...

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Message 180 of 181 (671140)
08-22-2012 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by ringo
08-22-2012 2:42 PM


Well, I've always been much more interested in video games than sports. The only Olympics that I actually watched were female gymnastics and beach volleyball...

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