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Author Topic:   Why I call myself a Conservative, Republican, Christian Creationist Evolutionist
Vacate
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Message 51 of 81 (375043)
01-06-2007 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
01-06-2007 10:39 PM


Re: Oxymoronic
Personally I think that if there is a God, it would be beyond incredible that He/She let loose the universe and already knew the end result (mankind). I am not sure what I believe, but this kind of idea does not reject the science of our times.
I don't see this as an Oxymoron, it does imply a greater intelligence however.

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Vacate
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Message 61 of 81 (375076)
01-07-2007 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Hyroglyphx
01-07-2007 12:48 AM


Re: Oxymoronic
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Jesus is the foundation of Christianity. In fact, the name means "to be Christ-like." That means anyone who follows His teachings is aspiring to be like Him. The way you phrase it, we could only assume that Buddha wasn't a Buddhist.
This may be how you see christianity, but the majority do not see it this way at all. On the contrary, I have made a real attempt at being Christ-like, Siddhartha Gautama-like, or any other great moral figure. Though I do not measure up, I do try. I am frequently reminded however that this is NOT the correct path. The correct path to the afterlife (Heaven if you prefer) is to worship Christ. Morality does not play a part in the common understanding of forgiveness by God when judged.
If you dedicate your life to the worshiping of Christ, you are then expected to be moral. Morality is not the saving factor. As I say - perhaps you see it that way, but you are in the minority.
all I need to do is let bacteria grow in a petri dish and apparently I'm on the same level as God
If someone invents a machine that will wash dishes are they on the same level as the biblical God? Your comparison is not a fair one, and neither is mine. The universe can not be summed up in a petri dish.
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Vacate
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Message 70 of 81 (375236)
01-08-2007 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Hyroglyphx
01-07-2007 11:12 PM


Re: Oxymoronic
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Jar instructs us to throw away the Bible
Jar explained why he would say such a thing in post #56 above. I won't try to explain further as my mind reading skills suck I just happen to agree with his ideas presented so far.
If Jar thinks that God is awesome when he looks at nature, but at the same time, he posits that God really has no hand in the formation of anything, then He just an Observer as we are
Humanity has been around for a mere instant when considering the eternity of things. Participation or lack thereof in this period of time hardly seems criteria for deciding on His glory/greatness. You seem offended that Jar presents "just an Observer", I just think that this idea presents a God that is capable of making it right the first time, therefore having no need for a guiding hand.
It can be implied that He is just as eager to see what comes about as we are.
I don't see where this is implied.
whether or not his definitions are compatible with the majority consensus
This is where you and I happen to agree. I would hold reservations to calling his views creationist due to the common understanding of what this implies. Creationist and evolutionist certainly are mutually exclusive in common thought, right or wrong.

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