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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 12 of 303 (366879)
11-29-2006 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
11-29-2006 1:26 PM


Riverrat:
You cannot have the right to not have intercourse unless you also have the right to intercourse. If you have the to intercourse then you have the right not to have intercourse. Take away one and the other is no longer a right.
riverrat writes:
Being that birth control is not 100% full proof, or natural
Neither are seat belts.
riverrat writes:
I can't see how this is a right for two consenting adults.
Just because you do not have the ability to understand does not make your belief override the rights of consenting adults. See consenting adults except the responsibility for what they do, and if terminating an unplanned pregnancy is the decision, then you need to live with it.
riverrat writes:
When I think of human rights, this is what I think of:
Human Rights
You must have overlooked this part
quote:
Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attack
Kind of defeats your stance by using this.
Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4316 days)
Posts: 194
Joined: 02-10-2004


Message 21 of 303 (366937)
11-29-2006 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by riVeRraT
11-29-2006 6:02 PM


riverrat writes:
I can have a right to have a gun, but if I kill someone with it, then I have a right to go to jail.
Gee, you failed on that one, you have the right to bear arms and the right not to bear arms, the right to vote the right not to vote. By using your right you are accepting the implications of the right.
riverrat writes:
I am not creating anything when I drive a car. And driving a car is not strictly for pleasure. e have been through the whole car/sex comparison, and it really doesn't apply.
Your logic is that because birth control is not a 100% that eliminates a right. Seat belts are not a 100% . Plus, I'm not using driving as the subject, I'm showing you the error of your logic.
riverrat writes:
Oh I do understand perfectly, and many people agree with my thoughts
As evidence in this thread, many more disagree. Majority rule, right?
riverrat writes:
Ok, that is 100% correct, but that doesn't make it a right.
It is right, and all your histrionics and hand waving will not change that.
riverrat writes:
Some could use that same line of protection for an unborn baby.
Not unless they extend rights to life that is not human yet.
riverrat writes:
. No one is being attacked here, just because I do not see it as a right
You quote mine the UN human rights just like you quote mine the constitution. It says No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, comma then the word nor to continue. This falsifies your assertion that (sic)No one is being attacked here...
riverrat writes:
When you create something, then legally disgard it, you are the one in control of your reputation.
Article 12 does not apply.
Seeing as how this is part of your defense of your position, show me where it says that, or own up to fact that what you used to start with shows your wrong
One last thing:
riverrat writes:
Plus I have been through it first hand, and have a excellent perspective on it.
First you had an abortion? Second, like your the only one. Third, I was present during a late 2nd trimester abortion, that right present, were you present?
Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Posts: 194
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Message 31 of 303 (366961)
11-29-2006 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by mike the wiz
11-29-2006 7:01 PM


mike the wiz writes:
I believe his premise includes "and". He doesn't believe it is a right to have sex AND have an abortion.
And I am pointing out that rights have consequences and consenting adults accept those consequences with they partake of their rights.
mike the wiz writes:
His point was that when you buy a gun, that might be a right, but that doesn't mean killing somebody is
Bad news, your not killing somebody when you have an abortion, and in the Us you can use your right of arms and use deadly force when your in imminent danger.
Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Posts: 194
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Message 42 of 303 (367056)
11-30-2006 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by riVeRraT
11-30-2006 8:11 AM


riverrat writes:
That was a missed point if ever I read one.
Yeah, I agree you have trouble understanding.
riverrat writes:
There is no error in knowing that there is a huge difference between driving a car, and having sex between two consenting adults. There is also a huge difference in the need to rely on a seat belt, as opposed to relying on birth control. My logic is fine.
Again, so you can try to comprehend what I'm writing, I'm not talking about driving. Do try to keep up. And you call this logic?
riverrat writes:
Oh no. I just want to put my thought on the subject to the test. We are just discussing here, and emotions should fall by the wayside.
How dare you say majority rule, I am sure in a heartbeat you will be the first to point out that just because 1/3 of the world believes in Jesus, that doesn't make him real.
I dare in the same why you dare to use your attempt at using the statement 'many believe the same as I do'. Do not really care how many believe in your jesus, this is about your failure to understand rights.
riverrat writes:
Hand waving? What was that sentence?
Any time you state 'I feel' or I believe' Your feelings and believes are in no why paramount on others rights.
riverrat writes:
We are not going to discuss when life begins. But in some states people have gone to jail for harming a fetus. So the possibility remains.
Quote mining again. It was you who brought this up after I pointed out that the document that you used in support of your position does not support your position, ;leave your emotions out of the debate.
riverrat writes:
Where it says what?
Isn't it beyond obvious that if you consensually have sex, then get an abortion, that you have added that experience to your own reputation, and it has nothing to do with me?
So you now admit it is none of your business, Good than you know understand the errors of your ways.
riverrat writes:
Yes, I was, and I supported the idea of getting one fully. A thing that I regret a bit. But life can be full of regrets, if you let it get to you. I have discussed this fully in other threads, I don't want to start talking about here again.
If you supported it than be an adult and live with it, please don't try saying you are, you've started or participated in to many of these to say otherwise.
riverrat writes:
Try leaving emotion out of this discussion, and just discuss.
Your funny, why don't you try and follow your own advice.
Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4316 days)
Posts: 194
Joined: 02-10-2004


Message 63 of 303 (367185)
11-30-2006 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by riVeRraT
11-30-2006 7:12 PM


riverrat writes:
alacrity fitzhugh writes:
Yeah, I agree you have trouble understanding.
Here is were I ask an admin to step in, and warn you. You are in violation of the rules, by attacking me, and not the subject. So now to me, all your thoughts are really invalid. If you can't argue the position, then don't get involved.
Sure, then I'll point out why I said you have trouble understanding. I compared seat belt safety to birth control, you took it as comparing seat belts to sex. If the only way you can debate is to misrepresent other posters then run to admin when they point it out that says about your debating skills. I'm through with you anyway since you show you will not debate in good faith.
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Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4316 days)
Posts: 194
Joined: 02-10-2004


Message 84 of 303 (367307)
12-01-2006 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by riVeRraT
12-01-2006 10:20 AM


riverrat writes:
I was already through with you when you insulted me.
Show me where I insulted you, I posted you have trouble understanding. Seeing as how I compared birth control safety to seat belt safety not the act of intercourse, then you took it that I was comparing seat belts to sex is you misunderstanding.
riverrat writes:
and I have no time to put up with insults. I understood your comparison perfectly. You just won't accept that it doesn't apply.
No you do not understand, to say I insulted you, then you prove I'm right in the stating you are having trouble understanding
riverrat writes:
So you result to insults.
You either purposely take peoples positions out of context, or you are having trouble understanding.
riverrat writes:
If you cannot debate without resulting to insults, then you really don't have a right to be in here.
First, you saying I insulted you does not fly in face of the evidence, second I have been here longer than you and know this little statement
that you made is not for you to decide.
riverrat writes:
I think an apology is in order, at least. We don't have to agree to get along.
You first.
riverrat writes:
The rules are in place for a reason. If you don't like them, then you can leave.
You should heed your own words.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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