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purpledawn
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Message 106 of 303 (367459)
12-02-2006 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
11-29-2006 1:26 PM


Manmade Right
quote:
Why is it a right for both a man and a woman to have consensual sex, AND get an abortion?
Because mankind made it so. We developed birth control other than abstinence and made safer abortions possible.
Now I can have consensual sex without the intent to have a child. I can use birth control to cut down the chances of getting pregnant and I can have an abortion should that birth control fail to stop the natural outcome.
It's all about the individual. Who give us those rights? We do.
Interesting that I can abort my child, but I'm not allowed to abort my own life.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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purpledawn
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Message 124 of 303 (367516)
12-02-2006 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by riVeRraT
12-02-2006 2:54 PM


Re: Manmade Right
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Nicely put, but it still doesn't explain why it is a right, other than just saying it is one, and thats that.
Man has created legal rights (just, legal, or moral claim or power). Since an abortion is legal at this time, it is a legal right.
Consenting to sex doesn't change that law. This is what our culture has become. We want to control our environment, and our reproduction. If we choose to have children, we have the ability to have them on our timetable. If we wait too long to have children, we have the ability to control that also (if one can afford it).
Now is it a natural right (if that's even possible), no. I say that because without the manmade medical capabilities that we have, abortion would not be under our control.
But today, in my state, I have the right to have consentual sex with the full knowledge that I don't want to get pregnant. I have the right to take precautions to prevent pregnancy and still have consentual sex. Should those precautions fail, I have the right to keep the baby, give the baby away, or terminate the pregnancy.
Now some may consider it unconscionable for a person to consent to sex knowing that they would opt for abortion should a pregnancy occur or, in the case of a man, know they can't support or won't willingly support a child.
So while people may not feel it is right, it is a right.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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purpledawn
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Message 128 of 303 (367539)
12-03-2006 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by riVeRraT
12-03-2006 7:55 AM


Re: Manmade Right
quote:
Is it a right because it is legal, or is it legal because it is a right?
IMO, today it is a right because it is legal.
If we are to find out if it is a natural right, we need to look at what natural control we have over our bodies.
I can't order my body to abort a pregnancy. The only control we have is to not have sex if we don't want to be pregnant.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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