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RAZD
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Message 16 of 23 (670781)
08-19-2012 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by michael?
08-07-2012 12:28 AM


personal opinion
Hi michael? and welcome to the fray,
... I see science is just how God wanted to make the world, and from the very little of it I've seen it is incredibly beautiful and highly complex art, the universe as a whole is God's art gallery that he wants us to see and explore on our own. What is everyone's thought on that?
And we can also add that most IDologists look at the creation as though an engineer was behind it, creating wonderful little mechanisms and optimizing the universe, but this fails to explain the apparent evil and ugliness (to human eyes) of some creatures ...
In my personal opinion the god/s of creation are artists, painting the ugly as well as the beautiful, for there would be no beauty without contrast, no ying without yang ... but then see my sig.
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Message 17 of 23 (670783)
08-19-2012 1:38 AM
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08-19-2012 12:13 AM


Re: personal opinion
And we can also add that most IDologists look at the creation as though an engineer was behind it, creating wonderful little mechanisms and optimizing the universe, but this fails to explain the apparent evil and ugliness (to human eyes) of some creatures ...
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.....Isaiah 45:7.
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Message 18 of 23 (670977)
08-21-2012 12:13 PM
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08-18-2012 2:14 PM


You're right, the universe as a whole isn't too visually interesting. But perhaps God has different definitions of "art" and "beauty" than humans - especially as He probably doesn't depend on sense organs like "eyes" and "hands" the way we do.
Sure, perhaps anything, but the OP did seem pretty anthropocentric to me.
Also, I'm quite pleased to have found this thread, in particular because I've always thought charts of isotopes of the elements - like this one - look just like a stroke from some celestial paintbrush:
Aren't you Begging the Question there? It doesn't look like a paintbrush stroke anymore than it looks like a skid mark

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Message 19 of 23 (671488)
08-26-2012 10:43 AM
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08-07-2012 12:28 AM


michael? writes:
...I see science is just how God wanted to make the world, and from the very little of it I've seen it is incredibly beautiful and highly complex art, the universe as a whole is God's art gallery that he wants us to see and explore on our own. What is everyone's thought on that?
I see science as an instrument provided by God for rationale human beings to find answers to God's providence . We will find answers to all that God wants us to find.
I agree that creation is incredible and beautiful but it is beyond our ability to find all the answers. Not that we should not attempt to discover and learn all we can, but to realize we are limited as to what we will learn and discover.
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Message 20 of 23 (672082)
09-02-2012 11:40 PM
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08-21-2012 12:13 PM


Catholic Scientist writes:
Aren't you Begging the Question there? It doesn't look like a paintbrush stroke anymore than it looks like a skid mark
Don't worry, it was all in good fun. Although...who says a skid mark can't be fine art?
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Hawkins
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Message 21 of 23 (672386)
09-07-2012 3:34 PM


As far as I know (much emphasis on that) everyone is either black and white on it, I see science is just how God wanted to make the world, and from the very little of it I've seen it is incredibly beautiful and highly complex art, the universe as a whole is God's art gallery that he wants us to see and explore on our own. What is everyone's thought on that?
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Originally then it is. But humans would like to make it some kind of belief or religion such that they can put their faith on it but no where else. The worse part, they are lost and can no longer distinguish which is science and which is faith.
For example, I see a lot of atheists sound as if they already know that nothing would happen after death. It's their own faith and without proof. However, their argument may be it is because their "god" the science never say that there is anything exists (soul or afterlife and such) after death. Thus nothing will be there after death. To say otherwise will be completely not scientific and thus not acceptable.
So do you see where the problem is or do you consider that there's not a problem there?
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Message 22 of 23 (672394)
09-07-2012 4:39 PM
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09-07-2012 3:34 PM


For example, I see a lot of atheists sound as if they already know that nothing would happen after death. It's their own faith and without proof.
Wrong answer. The evidence does, indeed, indicate that there is nothing after death. There is NO evidence that there IS anything after physical death. Atheists have no faith in such things: faith is worthless when evidence is readily available. Secondly, "atheists" with any intellectual integrity rarely state they "know" anything concretely. Instead, an atheist would likely state: "there is zero evidence for the claim of an afterlife beyond the odd ramblings of a religious person, therefor, I see no reason to accept this premise as truth or fact until such time that valid evidence is presented". Try to actually have a conversation with an atheist before putting words in their mouth, would ya?
So do you see where the problem is or do you consider that there's not a problem there?
The problem is: you seem to think you know what atheists think when you clearly don't.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 23 of 23 (672400)
09-07-2012 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Hawkins
09-07-2012 3:34 PM


The Afterlife
For example, I see a lot of atheists sound as if they already know that nothing would happen after death. It's their own faith and without proof. However, their argument may be it is because their "god" the science never say that there is anything exists (soul or afterlife and such) after death. Thus nothing will be there after death. To say otherwise will be completely not scientific and thus not acceptable.
Well, there's an abundance of proof, unfortunately.
Consider the known connection between my brain and my mind. If you damage one part of my brain, I lose the ability to distinguish between different kinds of fruit (I kid you not). Damage another part, and I can't read or write. Damage another part, and I don't know right from wrong. Damage another part, and I lose the ability to give a damn about anything --- a doctor can tell me: "Dr A, you're dying of brain cancer", and I'll just say: "Oh, really?"
And then along comes a religious person and tells me that if every part of my brain is completely destroyed, then somehow I will retain all of my mental faculties.
This is like saying: "Sure, it would disable you slightly if I cut off one of your fingers. But if I cut off both your hands then you'll find you're not handicapped at all. Losing one of your fingers is an inconvenience, as you say. But if you lose all ten of them then you'll be just fine."

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