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Message 70 of 83 (696690)
04-18-2013 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Straggler
04-18-2013 9:47 AM


Re: Non-Imagined Imagined Beings
Does the term Non-imagined in this context mean real?
The statement to me reads as:
it is my job t point out your failure to identfy, test and show that REAL supernatural beings are imagined/invented.
Perhaps RAZD should clarify this statement if this is what he meant.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 72 of 83 (696693)
04-18-2013 10:55 AM
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04-18-2013 10:50 AM


Re: Non-Imagined Imagined Beings
Hey don't shoot the messenger. I just pointed out that the statement could be read a different way.
Only RAZD knows what he meant.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 75 of 83 (696696)
04-18-2013 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Straggler
04-18-2013 10:56 AM


Re: Non-Imagined Imagined Beings
Straggler writes:
How the hell is it logically possible to show that something non-imagined is imagined?
If what is meant by imagined is that it does not exist outside of the human imagination.
Then to say it is (non-imagined/real) means it exist apart from the human imagination.
However I am not sure that is what is intended.
But to me it seems that is the only way it could be interpreted.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 76 of 83 (696704)
04-18-2013 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Stile
04-18-2013 11:18 AM


Re: Non-Imagined Imagined Beings
Stile writes:
This example is very true. You investigate the sightings... but the claim is not weakened until actual repeatable, objective evidence of the actual Ivory Billed Woodpeckers is found.
So we have the bird claimed to be extinct by 2 research teams
and listed by US Fish and Wild life as endangered.
Who is correct?

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 78 of 83 (696712)
04-18-2013 12:33 PM
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04-18-2013 12:16 PM


Re: Non-Imagined Imagined Beings
Hi Stile,
Thanks for the reply.
This all seems well and good.
I feel that the Fish and Wildlife have reason to believe the bird is still in existance.
Meanwhile some groups of bird watchers feel they have reason to believe the bird is extinct.
When I make my own personal choice of whom I will have confidence. I will choose the group that I believe the more credible. In this instance it is the U.S. Fish and Wildlife.
So it does come down to who or whom we find believable.
We can not fact check every source on a story by story bases.
I typically don't. I am guilty of appeals to authority in these matters. I put my "faith" in those who I believe wont get the story twisted, or skew the evidence.
In the end it does come down to personal choice on what we will believe.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 80 of 83 (696731)
04-18-2013 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Straggler
04-18-2013 12:57 PM


Re: Non-Imagined Imagined Beings
Straggler writes:
However what people want to believe has no bearing on which conclusions are most strongly evidenced
True. I can't tell you how upset I was when my shipment of seamonkeys arrived.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 82 of 83 (696740)
04-18-2013 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Stile
04-18-2013 1:42 PM


Re: Science vs. Non-Science
Stile, thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Stile writes:
I hold the personal idea to try and be a good person all the time.
A very wise person once told me that the way to do that is to relinquish the idea that this is obtainable. But to simply take hold of the things that are in your direct control and be the best you can be in those tasks. If your a father be the best father you can be. If doing the dishes, be the best dishwasher you can be. etc..
Stile writes:
In conclusion:
bluegenes has stressed that he is making a scientific theory... which then gains or loses confidence depending on the repeatable observations of reality. Which, so far as I've ever been made aware, entirely support his theory with great confidence.
I appreciate this. I have not followed the whole thread close enough, so I will go do some reading. Peace .

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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