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Message 1 of 83 (670117)
08-08-2012 10:46 PM


"Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
I couldn't find an un-closed Peanut Gallery topic that wasn't Great Debate specific...
Quoting from Message 636, pertaining to topic Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?:
So you believe that there is some percentage of Christians who thinks that God wrote lies into the Bible? Because that is the claim made in the OP.
Yes and no. On one hand, we have those who think "god wrote lies into the Bible" and therefore stopped being (or never were) 'christians'. On the other, we have those who think "god wrote lies into the Bible" but are still 'christians'.
Now, it is important to understand what "god wrote lies into the Bible" and 'christians' is specifically referring to. We can gather that from the author of the OP.
Despite the quality of those definitions, arguments can still be made with them.
I think the author of the OP is correct, that if "god wrote lies into the Bible" then you shouldn't be a 'christian' (according to their definitions).
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added subtitle. Since this isn't a topic specific peanut gallery, that should help connect things to the main topic.

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Message 10 of 83 (670158)
08-09-2012 2:37 PM
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08-09-2012 1:08 PM


Re: "Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
1st: just cause i am a n00b here. why call this the peanut gallery?
Peanut gallery - Wikipedia
quote:
In recent times, the term {Peanut Gallery} has taken on new meanings with the advent of social networks and online chat rooms. "Peanut gallery" may also refer to a social network audience that passively observes a syndicated web feed or chat room.
Its a place to talk about what people have posted in a thread without having to comment within that thread and stear it off topic.
For example, in Message 16 you wrote:
quote:
I will just make it a point to not respond to anything Theodoric posts.
You're right, that Theo guy isn't even worth reading.
but if you believe that God is real and wrote this book, with lies or not, then I would think you would be somewhat religious to begin with.
Sure, and if you based your religious beliefs on a flawless Bible, then when flaws in the Bible are found, those religious beliefs should change. I agree with the OP that he shouldn't be the type of christian he is if he thinks that a flaw in the Bible means God is lying and therefore he cannot trust it.
Maybe this version of the bible is the satanic verses and Lucifer is the real god who loves us?

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Message 16 of 83 (670214)
08-10-2012 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Artemis Entreri
08-10-2012 10:06 AM


Re: "Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
Do those christians atcually exist outside Anabaptist communities?
I think there are chistians, particularly the born again / saved by faith alone ones, who's entire faith is built up on a flawless Bible. And when those people come to realize that the Bible does contain flaws*, then I agree with foreveryoung that there's no reason that they should uphold that particular brand of faith. I don't think they necessarily need to drop christianity altogether, and that's what his topic could get into: How christians maintain what they do in light of the errors that are in the Bible.
*typically, rather than allowing their house of cards to come crashing down, they insist that whatever it is isn't actually a flaw
I figured that anyone on the INTERNET who made a claim like that was probably a Poe.

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Message 18 of 83 (670224)
08-10-2012 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Artemis Entreri
08-10-2012 11:12 AM


Re: "Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?" topiic
I could understand someone from an older generation, say my parents, or grand parents, {snip} But someone younger (say under 45), should definately know better and do a better job of finding information on a topic,
Someone with a strict upbringing might have been sheltered from any expositing of the flaws in the Bible. When they finally find the real world, they might be in a position like that.
There's even shit like this out there:
HugeDomains.com
quote:
"Now You Can Protect Your Children Online When They Surf The Internet While Enhancing Their Relationship With God By Downloading The Noah's Internet Kid Safe Browser! "
And doncha fucking hate it when people capitalize every word.
I don't know it just seems exceptionally silly to me.
Me too. Consider yourself lucky.
I'm with Bill Hicks: "Gimme the satanic parents down the street, you know, the ones with the good albums."

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Message 26 of 83 (671975)
09-01-2012 7:11 AM


Guernica in the bluegenes challenge
From Message 163
As an example of what I mean I give you one word:
Guernica
That's this bad boy:
From wiki:
quote:
Guernica is a painting by Pablo Picasso. It was created in response to the bombing of Guernica, {snip}. The Spanish Republican government commissioned Picasso to create a large mural for the Spanish display at the Paris International Exposition at the 1937 World's Fair in Paris.
Guernica shows the tragedies of war and the suffering it inflicts upon individuals, particularly innocent civilians. This work has gained a monumental status, becoming a perpetual reminder of the tragedies of war, an anti-war symbol, and an embodiment of peace.
So that's the example. On to the point:
Not a single supernatural being has been demonstrated to be a product of human imagination, not a single methodology of being able to test for supernatural presence has been developed.
He has unrealistic expectations here about the information conveyed in myths and legends, expecting them to have scientific precise information about reality, and then claims they are falsified by actual objective empirical evidence of reality.
From preliterate societies that do not have a scientific approach to information.
This is irrational,
Let me stop you there. First off; the second to last sentence is a fragment. I assume you're emphasizing the lack of knowledge of those information conveyors.
Secondly, the rationality of the expectations of the information conveyed in myths and legends isn't really something we're gonna come to a conclusion on. It’s too faceted and approached with too much preconception.
and is a result of cognitive dissonance
This is where you go wrong. You still haven't told me how to distinguish between this being CD and it not.
Regarding Guernica specifically; it is certainly capable of conveying a lot of emotion. And it represents an entire event on a 2D stain, if you will.
The point is:
Such societies typically use spiritual and symbolic language to convey concepts and ideas, methods that are not scientifically precise, but still capable of carrying important information about reality. It is important to understand how this works before dismissing it out of hand as bluegenes does (confirmation bias, blind-spot, dtc etc etc).
I don’t think you’ve got his argument adequately portrayed. It’s as if you think he’s saying more than he is. What is it about his position that necessitates that societies couldn’t use spiritual and symbolic language to convey concepts and ideas?
And back to my still unanswered question:
How do you know that these examples really are CD
Examples of his cognitive dissonant behavior is in Message 161
You can point out behaviors that are consistent with CD all day long, but you can't ascribe CD to those behaviors through the medium we're dealing with (i.e. a forum).

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Message 46 of 83 (672769)
09-11-2012 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by onifre
09-11-2012 8:13 AM


Re: ICANT maybe?
Anyone else suspect the "new" memeber TheRestOfUs in the Big Bang thread is ICANT?
I don't think so. Thou is better articulated.
What your noticing, I think, is the fact that they're both old dudes.

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Message 47 of 83 (672771)
09-11-2012 10:32 AM


BG Challenge - flat planets
From Message 208:
bluegenes writes:
My theory predicts that there cannot be a way of detecting non-imaginary supernatural beings.
Then it isn't capable of being proven wrong.
From Message 210:
bluegenes writes:
Of course my theory is testable against observations, for the same reason that "all flat planets are figments of the human imagination" is testable against observations. If we can't find any, and don't know of any way that they could form, it fits that we're making them up, and the theory is strong.
We know what planets are and we know what it is to be flat. We don't have anything regarding what it is to be supernatural. We can't be nearly as confident about supernatural beings as we can about flat planets.
If we're just going to use what people have imagined about supernatural beings, then we're only ever going to be dealing with imagination. There's no progress to make. The conjecture that they're all imagined becomes tautological. Supernatural beings become defined as coming from the imagination.

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Message 49 of 83 (672779)
09-11-2012 10:47 AM
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09-11-2012 10:45 AM


Re: ICANT maybe?
Thou seems smarter. You can't really fake being smart. And I don't think ICANT was playing dumb...

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Message 56 of 83 (672933)
09-12-2012 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Straggler
09-11-2012 1:43 PM


Re: BG Challenge - flat planets
The theory predicts that there won't be any way of detecting such things because it predicts that such things don't exist. And you cannot detect that which doesn't exist can you?
If SB's don't exist then there's no way to detect them. But its worse than that: we don't even know what we're looking for. What makes it a being and what makes it supernatural?
Lots of people (including you I believe) have claimed to have detected supernatural beings. People are constantly and relentlessly claiming to have detected supernatural beings. Are you suggesting these people have no idea what they are talking about.....?
Of course they don't know what they're talking about. If they did, then it'd just be a common fact as opposed to something they're taking on faith.
That they're making up specifics about the SB's does show that their concepts of them stem from their imagination. But without a way to even test for any of the properties we'd expect if they did exist, we can't get to a conclusion that none of them exist.
No such definition is in place.
The definition emerges when you only consider the imagined instances of SB's for your determination of whether or not they exist outside the imagination. Its tautological.
(including you I believe)
I wouldn't say that I've detected them. I've just had experiences that convinced me they exist.

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Message 58 of 83 (673601)
09-20-2012 2:16 PM


Crashfrog vocabulary
From Message 54
opprobrium
pusillanimous
Where the fuck do you come up with these words from?

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Message 60 of 83 (673604)
09-20-2012 2:20 PM
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09-20-2012 2:17 PM


Re: Crashfrog vocabulary
I've been speaking English for over 30 years and have never seen or heard those words before.

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Message 63 of 83 (673610)
09-20-2012 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by crashfrog
09-20-2012 2:35 PM


Re: Crashfrog vocabulary
Do you use a Thesaurus, or something, or are those words just a part of your normal vocabulary? When's the last time you used either of those words?

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Message 65 of 83 (673615)
09-20-2012 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by crashfrog
09-20-2012 2:49 PM


Re: Crashfrog vocabulary
I was an English major for a while.
Ah, ok.
At EvC? November 2007 was the last time I appear to have used "opprobrium", and June 2005 was when I last used "pusillanimous." According to the search.
I meant, like, ever, but that's cool. Thanks man.
Here's a funny picture:

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Message 66 of 83 (674449)
09-29-2012 3:34 AM


Nonukes on slavery
FRom Message 85:
Is it your argument that the word "Natural" and "Biological" in the title implies that the authors have taken the position that rape is not evil? Are you surprised that I find that position inane?
I haven't read that article. But I can see that a biological basis for a behavior would eliminate the evil associated with it.
Your have no point. Regardless of our purpose or lack of purpose here, we can reach the conclusion that harming each other is evil.
In what way?
Yes, you could have used Stalin instead of the Nazis, but to no better effect. You don't have to be a Christian to understand that murder is evil.
Murder to prevent futher evil could be understood as non-evil.
I'll note that the Bible takes a fairly tolerant view on slavery, even endorsing slavery on occasion. Is slavery really evil, or do I need to take some historical context into account? How is that not relativism of the most odious order.
Moral slavery is not an impossiblity.

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