Peanut Gallery 2012

I think that you are right about the point RAZD is trying to make. But he would have to provide an argument that there are real supernatural beings behind the myths. I don't think that he can do that, which may be why he is dragging things out.

Yep. OK. That seems fair enough as far as it goes. I would accept that some interpretation is required in order to extract the wisdom that might be entailed in religious texts (or any other literature) for example. OK. But (and I appreciate this isn't your argument but rather your take on RAZ's argument so my question is somewhat rhetorical) how does this get us to evidence of actual supernatural eings rather than evidence of human belief in the existence of supernatural beings (which is the observable phenomenon bluegenes theory seeks to somewhat explain).

And this would be evidence of the invisible pink unicorn?

I think I may have to give up on this one - it's two people trying not to get anywhere the slowest without losing face. Worse than watching those volleyball teams in the Olympics trying to lose.Get a grip guys, stop posturing and get off the pot.

Bluegenes has no need to take the debate anywhere. Is there really a question that supernatural beings aren't the creation of human beings? It's a silly debate, but Bluegenes has demolished any point RAZD has tried to make.- Oni

Straggler asks: Remember: it is not the job of RAZD to provide evidence of any single Supernatural Being yet.

Oni, trying to shrug it off: Ah, my friend, it was a much more complicated question. So be it. As Rose Rosanna Danna would say: "Nevermind."

Throughout the thread RAZ has repeatedly raised evidence of human belief in the existence of supernatural beings (e.g. religious texts) as if this is somehow indicative of there being a source of SBs other than human imagination. The idea seems to be that if lots of people genuinely believe such things to be real then there must be some real supernatural basis for such beliefs even if none of the specific beliefs are particularly accurate. Belief as a form of evidence upon which to justify belief in the supernatural. Circular. This whole Guernica thing seems to be (rather obliquely) heading along the same lines.If the whole Guernica thing isn’t intended to make some point about interpretation and there being a real supernatural basis for such beliefs — What is the point of it?

I see you have "acknowledged" my reply. Fair enough I spose.Is anyone (hello RAZ) going to definitively explain the relevance of this Guernica thing....?

I'm still following and enjoying the bluegenes Vs RAZD great debate.But I wish the relentless accusations of cognitive dissonance could be deemed off-topic. They aren't adding anything except a way of sidetracking from the issue at hand.There is even a whole thread about CD to which these accusations and the basis for making them can be legitimately discussed: Cognitive Dissonance and Cultural Beliefs

I ran across this quote by Picasso himself that I think may help clarify what RAZD is getting at

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Art is a lie that makes you realize the truth. - Picasso

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It could be said that since these myths are "lies", there is no truth in them. I think RAZD is using Guernica to suggest or illustrate the point that even though these stories may not be "true" they can point a person to the truth or help them realize the truth.HBD

The problem with that answer is that it raises the question "what truth" ? If RAZD is merely speculatign that myths point to some other meaning AND that that meaning involves real supernatural beings then he hasn't really got a point. Speculation piled on speculation is a poor way to argue.

Anyone else suspect the "new" memeber TheRestOfUs in the Big Bang thread is ICANT?Both emails are verizon.net. Don't know how coincidental that is.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

It is not conclusive, but there are some subtle (but significant) differences in their posting styles. Verizon are a multi-billion dollar telcom - I expect their customer base is quite large.

I don't think that at all likely. Their postings are too different.