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Message 58 of 308 (671691)
08-29-2012 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Taz
08-29-2012 12:23 AM


Re: Speaking of lying liars,,,
Aren't followers of jesus christ suppose to NOT LIE? Why is it that christians can find themselves so comfortable at lying right through their teeth like this?
Creationism has given them so much practice at lying that it has been second-nature to them and a way of life. Practically an article of faith.

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Message 76 of 308 (671753)
08-30-2012 4:33 AM
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08-30-2012 3:29 AM


Re: More semantics from NoNukes...YAWN
. . . of the Republican party nowadays, but it's also the party you join if your political hero is Ayn Rand - one of the most militant atheists the right has ever produced.
Such as Paul Ryan? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_ryan:
quote:
Political philosophy
At a Washington, D.C. gathering celebrating what would have been Ayn Rand's 100th birthday, Ryan credited Rand as inspiring him to get involved in public service. In a 2005 speech at The Atlas Society, he said he grew up reading Rand, and that her books taught him about his value system and beliefs. Ryan tried to get all of the congressional interns in his office to read Rand's writing. He also gave copies of her novel Atlas Shrugged to his staff as Christmas presents.
In 2009, Ryan said "What's unique about what's happening today in government, in the world, in America, is that it's as if we're living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault."
In April 2012, after receiving criticism from Georgetown University faculty members on his budget plan, Ryan rejected Rand's philosophy as an atheistic one, saying it "reduces human interactions down to mere contracts." He also called the reports of his adherence to Rand's views an "urban legend" and stated that he was deeply influenced by his Roman Catholic faith and by Thomas Aquinas. Yaron Brook, president of the Ayn Rand Institute, maintains that Ryan is not a Rand disciple, and that some of his proposals do not follow Rand's philosophy of limited government; Brook refers to Ryan as a "fiscal moderate."
In August 2012 after Romney chose him as his running mate, the Associated Press published a story saying that while the Tea Party movement had wanted a nominee other than Romney, it had gotten "one of its ideological heroes" in the Vice Presidential slot. According to AP, he supports their belief in individual rights, distrust of big government, and respect for America's founding fathers.
Ryan rejected Rand's philosophy as an atheistic one, saying it reduces human interactions down to mere contracts. He also called the reports of his adherence to Rand's views an urban legend' and stated that he was deeply influenced by his Roman Catholic faith and by Thomas Aquinas." Yeah, right! (ha-ha-ha!)

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Message 77 of 308 (671755)
08-30-2012 5:11 AM


This has all happened before ... and it will all happen again
Refusing to pay for a war and then refusing to tax the rich who had profited from that war and expecting the middle class to bear the brunt of the cost. That is the Republican plan. It has been tried before. By the Weimar Republic, formed in the destruction of the German Empire (das Zweite Reich) at the end of WWI, in which ruinous inflation completely destroyed the German economy and German's middle class. Which laid the road for Hitler and the National Socialists (AKA "Nazis") to come to power.
Here is what an English historian had to say in 1946:
quote:
The failure of the Kapp putsch was evidence that the results of 19l8 could not yet be openly undone; and the following three years were dominated by the fact that Germany, having failed to plunder Europe, would have to bear the belated burden of the war. The war had cost the Reich 164 milliard marks. Of this sum 93 milliards had been raised by war loans, 29 milliards had been met by treasury bills, the rest by increasing the issue of paper money. Not a penny had been raised by taxation. Republican Germany might have been expected to reform the finances of the Reich and to impose taxation on the rich; but the "national" classes were ready for this emergency -- they alledged that taxes were needed solely to pay reparations to the French. To oppose taxes became a patriotic act; and in 1921 direct taxes were actually reduced. In reality the claims of reparations were trifling compared to the needs of Germany's internal budget; and in l92l-3 hardly any reparations were paid. The inflation which raged at an ever-advancing pace until the end of 1923 was solely due to the failure to balance revenue and expenditure. There was no connection between reparations and inflation, except for purposes of propaganda. Instead of taxing the rich, Germany paid her way and paid off all the costs of the war by destroying the savings of the poor and middle classes. Inflation had a profound political effect: it left Germany in 1924 as free from debt as it had been in 1871, that is to say, inas favourable a financial position at the end of a lost war as it had been at the end of a victorious war. It had a profound economic effect; it enabled German heavy industry to write off all its prior charges and so be free to carry out a new process of rationalizing its procedure almost as sweeping as the original "industrial revolution" in the eighteen-seventies. Most of all it had a profound social effect: it stripped the middle classes of their savings and made the industrial magnates absolute dictators of German economic life. The saving, investing middle class, everywhere the pillar of stability and respectability, was in any case newer in Germany than in France and England-hence the instability of German policy even before l9l4-; it was now utterly destroyed, and Germany thus deprived of her solid, cautious keel. The former rentiers, who had lost their all, ceased to impose a brake: they became resentful of the republic, to whom they attributed their disaster; violent and irresponsible; and ready to follow the first demagogic saviour, not blatantly from the industrial working class. The inflation, more than any other single factor, doomed the republic; its cause was not the policy of the Allies, but the failure to impose direct taxes on the rich.
In 1946!
This has all happened before and it will all happen again.
Unless we stop it!
Edited by dwise1, : "historian", not "history

  
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Message 100 of 308 (672620)
09-10-2012 4:25 AM
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09-10-2012 3:41 AM


I am oh so glad I was not drinking anything when I listened to that.

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Message 195 of 308 (673470)
09-19-2012 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by ringo
09-19-2012 12:13 PM


Re: Speaking of colour...
I wish those Americans would learn that left is red and right is blue. That's the way it is on the spectrum. Communists are red and Obama is a Communist....
No, no, we've got it right. As it's played out in every wargame, Blue Force is us, the Good Guys, while Red Force is the enemy intent on destroying America.

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Message 207 of 308 (673526)
09-20-2012 2:42 AM


A Remembrance and a Stupid Question
This is all as I remember the events unfolding. The financial situation was unraveling and the banks panicked and stopped making any loans at all.
As I understand it, one of every business' problems is liquidity, the amount of ready cash in order to do its daily and weekly business. Ready cash does not do you much good, but you need to have enough in order to pay for things that need to paid for, such as payroll checks. As you make sales, you incur accounts receivable, but those accounts receivable don't mean a thing for liquidity until your customers have made their payments. On a pay-check-by-pay-check basis, those payments can very well lag accounts receivable. One of a boss' foremost duties is to make the payroll, ensure enough liquidity that every single employee's paycheck will be honored and will not bounce.
One time-honored method for making the payroll is to take out short-term business loans. So what happens when the company can no longer get a short-term business loan? That company can then no longer pay its employees nor pay its daily bills. Regardless of how much it has in accounts receivable, without that liquidity it goes bust.
What I remember of the melt-down was banks refusing to make loans, which in turn strangled many companies, forcing them to close, which in turn left those companies' former employees unemployed. The basic reason we have so many unemployed is because the companies that they used to work for no longer exist. It doesn't matter that the companies that somehow survived can start to do better now, the new jobs they can offer are marginal at best. What is still missing are all those companies annihilated by the banks at the start and all the jobs that they used to offer.
So far, I have heard nothing from either Party about addressing this issue. It would appear that job growth depends on the re-establishment of many of those companies that were killed off by the banks. Who is addressing that?
And, of course, there is also the question of what the government could possibly do to address that issue.

  
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Message 210 of 308 (673532)
09-20-2012 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by ringo
09-19-2012 3:30 PM


Re: Speaking of colour...
Orange are Protestant "Irish", the Scots who were transplanted to Northern Ireland circa 1600. And we all know who the "Greens" are!
An older local woman remembers working for a Canadian company. Every St. Patrick's Day, everybody made sure to wear Orange.
Amazing the meaning that color can take on. And yet, the GOP had chosen red, the color of our traditional national enemy. Why?

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