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Taz
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Message 3 of 308 (670740)
08-18-2012 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Dr Adequate
08-18-2012 12:40 AM


Re: Things Paul Ryan Doesn't Know
What scares me is that it looks like Paul Ryan is getting away with this lie. I did a search and I couldn't find a single mainstream news source calling this lie out.
Like I said, I'm afraid Obama might be on his way out...

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Message 31 of 308 (671354)
08-24-2012 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Dr Adequate
08-23-2012 8:56 PM


Re: Get The Whole True[/i] Story From Fox
I still remember when Obama had just gotten into office. Gun prices skyrocketed because gun shop owners were telling everyone Obama was going to ban guns. People went and spent their life savings to buy as many guns and ammo as they could.
I know this one guy who currently lives on federal help because of a degenerative backbone problem he started developing a couple years ago. He can't work and he is coming very close to being wheel chair bound. Anyway, 4 years ago he literally spent his life's savings to buy guns and ammo. Nowadays, whenever I see him I have to bite my tongue to not ask the question "how are your guns doing?"
He is now very liberal and very supportive of Obama and the health care reform. It's the only thing keeping him from financial ruin.
My theory on this has always been everyone is a god fearing republican until he realizes at some point in his life he needs help.

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Taz
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Message 36 of 308 (671457)
08-25-2012 2:00 PM


Just what exactly are they smoking in Texas?

  
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Message 39 of 308 (671498)
08-26-2012 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Dr Adequate
08-26-2012 1:25 AM


Re: Hmmmmmm?
I still think you guys are over-optimistic. Most Americans are dumbasses. It's not even up for debate. It's a fact of life. Most people are clearly dumbasses who will believe every lie the republicans throw at them. Look at the latest lie about Obama making gas prices go up high. All the American people have to do is think "well, gee, whiz, I wonder if one man really has that much power...?"
If Obama will win this election, it will be a damn close one. Too close for my comfort.

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Message 53 of 308 (671631)
08-28-2012 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Artemis Entreri
08-28-2012 1:35 PM


Re: More semantics from NoNukes...YAWN
Just a quick question. Are you willing to admit you're a liar?

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Taz
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Message 55 of 308 (671669)
08-29-2012 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by NoNukes
08-28-2012 10:57 PM


Re: Speaking of lying liars,,,
NoNukes writes:
Speaking of lying liars,,,
I've never been able to figure out this mystery. Aren't followers of jesus christ suppose to NOT LIE? Why is it that christians can find themselves so comfortable at lying right through their teeth like this? It boggles my mind.

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Taz
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Message 91 of 308 (672128)
09-03-2012 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Jon
09-03-2012 1:35 PM


Re: Lyin' Ryan
Jon, please for a moment try to think not like a sports team fan and try to think about this objectively.
It's specifically the lies themselves that concern some of us about Ryan. He's lied about things that weren't beneficial at all. It's the pattern of a pathological liar. These people just lie for no reason at all except to lie. That's what worries us.
I'm not saying a candidate should be perfect. And I'm not saying Obama has never lied. But there is a clear difference between lying for political gain and just lying for the hell of it.
Please for a moment stop it with the sports fan mentality and try to look at this in a more objective way. Between a political liar and a pathological liar, I'd choose the political liar over the pathological liar any day. At least you know the political liar is in control of the lies he tells. The pathological liar is unpredictable and has no motive to lie. He just lies.

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Message 93 of 308 (672138)
09-03-2012 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Jon
09-03-2012 7:58 PM


Re: Lyin' Ryan
Ok. You're always right, of course.

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Message 99 of 308 (672619)
09-10-2012 3:41 AM


Mitt Romney flip flops again.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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Message 103 of 308 (672686)
09-10-2012 3:16 PM


Romney flip flops 4 times in 24 hours.
Just hours later, his campaign did an about face.
Re: Romney and Obamacare | National Review
quote:
In reference to how Romney would deal with those with preexisting conditions and young adults who want to remain on their parents’ plans, a Romney aide responded that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.
In other words, they wanted to take away the protection for those with preexisting conditions and kids 26 and under.
Then a few hours later, they did another about face.
Romney Will Insure Pre-Existing Conditions, Aide Says
quote:
After Mitt Romney said on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday that there were certain parts of Obamacare that he liked, a campaign aide confirmed to BuzzFeed that one of the elements that a Romney health care overhaul would be a guarantee that people with pre-existing conditions can't get kicked off their health insurance plans.
"Gov. Romney will ensure that discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage is prohibited," the aide said.
But the 2010 health care law goes much further: It bars discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions who are applying for health care.
The new statement appears to amend a report in National Review Online earlier Sunday, which quoted an anonymous aide saying Romney would allow "the martketplace" to sort out coverage for such people.
The aide pointed to an occasion earlier this summer when Romney firmly staked out support for insuring people with pre-existing conditions in the context of a bill he says will "replace" ObamaCare.
"I also want to make sure that people can’t get dropped if they have a preexisting condition," Romney said in a June speech. "So let’s say someone has been continuously insured and they develop a serious condition and let’s say they lose their job or they change jobs, they move and they go to a new place."
The Romney campaign position, as it stands, appears to be repealing the sweeping ObamaCare protections for uninsured people with pre-existing conditions, and replacing them with a market-based plan. There are conservative alternatives for covering pre-existing conditions in circulation. One notable one would allow the uninsured with pre-existing conditions a one-time window to get into the health care system, or to accept the risk of going without care.
But then someone notices the vague language in the latest statement by Romney. In other words, he's really not wanting to protect people with preexisting conditions.
https://twitter.com/buzzfeedben/status/244977146903269377
What Romney wants to do is protect people with preexisting conditions in a continuous coverage. But if you have a preexisting condition and you want to apply for insurance, well that's tough luck.
This guy is amazing.

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Message 106 of 308 (672746)
09-11-2012 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Jon
09-10-2012 11:17 PM


If you are continuously insured and you develop a condition, thats not pre existing. Are yousports fanning again?

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Taz
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Message 111 of 308 (672805)
09-11-2012 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Jon
09-11-2012 7:17 AM


I didn't know if you were being for real or sarcastic.

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Message 112 of 308 (672806)
09-11-2012 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by New Cat's Eye
09-11-2012 10:16 AM


Re: Clinton
Just watch it when you can. It will do him an injustice to try to summarize it.

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Message 131 of 308 (673186)
09-15-2012 5:15 PM


Mitt Romney got caught smiling and smirking during Libya crisis.
Page not found - PoliticusUSA
Death and Taxes Archives - SPIN
Mitt Romney Kneejerks Into Another Colossal Blunder | HuffPost Latest News
Romney's haunting smirk | Salon.com
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Taz
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Message 155 of 308 (673344)
09-18-2012 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by crashfrog
09-18-2012 3:39 PM


crashfrog writes:
What makes you think he's viable? Nate Silver's giving him an 8% chance of winning.
I mean he's still in the race because he has no choice, he can't drop out because at this point he can't be replaced. The party voted to nominate him, he accepted, and there's no do-over. He's the GOP candidate, end of story. People have donated money to his campaign and, legally, it can't be used for anything but campaign expenses. He literally cannot legally give up. He just shambles on to an almost certain defeat in November, hoping that Obama makes a mistake.
But Obama doesn't make mistakes. His opponents do. It's amazing how people fall all over themselves to let Obama win, isn't it? Jack Ryan? Alan Keyes? John McCain? And now Romney? You just can't make any money betting against Obama. The election was always his to lose, and that's exactly what Obama does not do - commit unforced errors and lose when he should have won.
I can sleep again!

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