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Message 98 of 308 (672584)
09-09-2012 5:32 PM


Clinton
I've just been watching the Clinton speech on one of the BBC politics channels.
I've decided to vote for him.......

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Message 110 of 308 (672802)
09-11-2012 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by New Cat's Eye
09-11-2012 10:16 AM


Re: Clinton
What I thought was impressive about it was that it managed to successfully include a lot of rather detailed analysis (there are quite a lot of facts and figures) in order to comprehensively refute the claims of Obama’s opponents whilst simultaneously remaining amusing, engaging and quite inspirational. He didn’t treat the audience as if it were made up of idiots with attention deficit disorder. The speech demanded a degree of concentration to follow the arguments being made. And it did actually make an argument rather than be simply a list of slogans in the way that many political speeches are.

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Message 113 of 308 (672809)
09-11-2012 1:46 PM
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09-11-2012 9:10 AM


Re: Clinton for the 99%ers?
Sure. Sure.
I was commenting more on the quality of the speech than anything else. It was a cheeky comment pertaining to that. Nothing more.

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Message 176 of 308 (673430)
09-19-2012 11:48 AM
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09-19-2012 10:53 AM


Re: Fortunately there is a bright ray of hope.
Maybe the Occupy Movement needs to take note here and change it's slogan.
We are the 47%.....
Then again - maybe not.

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Message 185 of 308 (673449)
09-19-2012 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Dr Adequate
09-19-2012 1:04 PM


Re: Moochers
CS writes:
The whole 47% thing seems to be an attempt to inflate their numbers... to rally the troops against them. There's lots of emails being passed around by my parents generation (I'm 31) about things like Ineptocracy. "We just have to get Obama out because they're redistributing our wealth to those lazy poor people that vote for a living instead of working for one."
Precise percentage of "moochers" aside....
How prevalent in the US is the sort of thinking CS is talking about here?
In the UK it seems to be increasingly prevalent. Right wing parties seem to need to convince the electorate that there is this vast swathe of the population sponging off of the hard working, decent and productive members of society. It gives them a basis for pursuing the more controversial aspects of their individualist ideology.
So - I suspect that whilst many will see the 47% figure as hyperbolic and a result of Mitt talking to his rich mates they will also still have some sympathy with the sort of thinking CS outlines. And still think that the number of "moochers" is much higher than it actually is. These people will presumably vote Republican pretty much whatever Mitt says.

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