Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 52 (9178 total)
1 online now:
Newest Member: Anig
Upcoming Birthdays: Theodoric
Post Volume: Total: 918,077 Year: 5,334/9,624 Month: 359/323 Week: 203/160 Day: 20/19 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Even More Awesome Presidential Election Thread
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3208 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


(1)
Message 256 of 308 (673820)
09-23-2012 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Coyote
09-23-2012 7:39 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Not a huge Obama fan myself. Nor a Romney fan. However what is wrong with being a community organizer? The civil rights movement was led by one of the most prominent 'community organizers', Martin Luther King, Jr. Your attempt to demonize being a community organizer falls flat.
As far as redistributionalist, every politician (and just about every American) is a redistributionalist to one degree or another, including Mitt Romney. Both Social Security and Medicare are redistribution systems. Earned Income Credit (enacted in 1975 and expanded on by the Republicans in Reagan's administration) and other tax incentives also are redistributive in one way or another. Yet, I don't hear Republicans and conservatives wanting to end either one. No, in fact, they are making claims that Obama and his democrats are undermining these very same redistributive programs with the new health program.
If you want to defend your position for supporting Romney I would suggest you go to another source beside the ridiculously ignorant Fox 'News' Network.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

This message is a reply to:
 Message 253 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 7:39 PM Coyote has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 259 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 8:27 PM DevilsAdvocate has replied

  
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3208 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 262 of 308 (673828)
09-23-2012 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Coyote
09-23-2012 8:27 PM


Re: Time for a change...
I haven't watched Fox in a long time, and I haven't watched it regularly in about 10 years.
Just another thing you're wrong about, eh?
Two wrongs don't make a right
But seriously, these are ridiculous points that Fox news brings out all the time. Which is why I equated the two. You sound like what Fox regurgitates all the time. I listen to Sean Hannity purely out of boredom and to get a chuckle (I commute nearly 50 miles to work a day). And he mindlessly repeats these same points (Obama is a 'community organizer' and a redistributionalist) as well as many others. These ridiculously stupid 'factoids' are effectively a mantra for the Republican party.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

This message is a reply to:
 Message 259 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 8:27 PM Coyote has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 264 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 8:46 PM DevilsAdvocate has replied

  
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3208 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 265 of 308 (673832)
09-23-2012 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Coyote
09-23-2012 8:46 PM


Re: Time for a change...
They happen to be accurate, no matter who says them.
Yes Obama was a community organizer, so what. What is wrong with being a community organizer? He helped establish a job training program and other vital programs for Chicago residents. Famous community organizers have been Martin Luther King Jr., Saul Alinsky, Ralph Nader and Cesar Chavez. What are the benefits of community organizers? Civil Rights, universal suffrage, 8 hour work days, the weekend, the Freedom of Information Act, etc, etc. Probably some of the best experience working with and helping everyday working people is through being a community organizer.
Obama was also a civil rights attourney and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago for 12 years and served in the Illinoise senate for 7 years. Also, noteworthy achievements.
And again, even you Coyote are a redistributionalist, unless you don't pay taxes and do not plan to use Social Security or Medicare.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

This message is a reply to:
 Message 264 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 8:46 PM Coyote has not replied

  
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3208 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 268 of 308 (673835)
09-23-2012 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Coyote
09-23-2012 8:43 PM


Re: Time for a change...
and having "organized" folks to picket and protest on a block or two in a big city is just not a good qualification. I think this has been proven over the last nearly four years.
I guess Martin Luther King, Jr was an abysmal failure since he was a community organizer. If you are religious, the best known example of a community organizer, Jesus, was also a failure .
Besides, his experience as community organizer was just shy of 3 years fm 1985 to 1988. You have not even mentioned his more recent accomplishments: 12 years teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago and as a civil right attourny, 7 years as a state senator and 3 years a US senator.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

This message is a reply to:
 Message 263 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 8:43 PM Coyote has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 269 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 10:09 PM DevilsAdvocate has replied

  
DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3208 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 272 of 308 (673841)
09-23-2012 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Coyote
09-23-2012 10:09 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Nice try. Our current president does not compare in any way to MLK. Nor to Jesus.
Not trying to compare him to either on a personal level.
You are the one that brought up commuter organizer as a disqualifier. I was saying that there have been many examples of community organizers who are resounding successes and that being a community organizer can be great expirience for leadership in political offices.
He was undistinguished in all of those. But he was not a true failure until he reached the presidency.
In what ways?
He has failed on jobs, the economy, debt levels, and illegal immigration, to name a few. OK, one more--foreign policy.
How? Who do you consider successful in these areas? And if so why? Than we can compare.
Right now you are just speaking in Republican talking points with no real substance. Produce the facts and then we can get down to buisness and see what the truth is.
You seem to speak in the same terms that YEC do when debating a scientist about evolution. Throwing meaningless jargon, quips and talking points with no facts to back them up, hoping they will stick will not help you.
Are you better off than you were 6 trillion dollars ago?
Actually yes. I have a net increase in pay and my house has gone up in value. Wall street has rebounded and my thrift savings program (equivalent to an IRA) after the initial dip in 2009 has increased by about 20k dollars over the last two years.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

This message is a reply to:
 Message 269 by Coyote, posted 09-23-2012 10:09 PM Coyote has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024