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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 308 (670744)
08-18-2012 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Taz
08-18-2012 1:05 AM


Re: Things Paul Ryan Doesn't Know
Like I said, I'm afraid Obama might be on his way out...
Ye of little faith. Start reading 538 and when Nate Silver thinks Obama won't win, then you have my permission to get worried.

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Message 9 of 308 (670807)
08-19-2012 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Adequate
08-19-2012 10:37 AM


Re: Leader Of "Non-Partisan Group" Turns Out To Have Been Driven Insane By Partisanship
So, the "conspiracy" here is that Obama is hiding the fact that both of his parents were American citizens living in Hawaii where he was born?

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 308 (671100)
08-22-2012 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Buzsaw
08-22-2012 8:25 AM


Re: Get The Whole True[/i] Story From Fox
Banes Capitol is just one example where they fail to report that the charges against Romney applied to well after he was out of it.
Well, to start with Buz, it's Bain Capital, not "Banes Capitol", which already proves that you know the least about the issue of anyone here. Secondly, private equity financing isn't something that Bain Capital picked up after Mitt Romney left, it's what Bain Capital was doing because it's what Mitt Romney decided they should do:
quote:
Beginning in 1989, the firm, which began as a venture capital source investing in start-up companies, adjusted its strategy to focus on leveraged buyouts and growth capital investments in more mature companies.[26] By the end of 1990, Bain had raised $175 million of capital and financed 35 companies with combined revenues of $3.5 billion.[27]
In July 1992, Bain acquired Ampad (originally American Pad & Paper) from Mead Corporation, which had acquired the company in 1986. Mead which had been experiencing difficulties integrating Ampad's products into its existing product lines, generated a cash gain of $56 million on the sale.[28] Under Bain's ownership, the company enjoyed a significant growth in sales from $106.7 million in 1992 to $583.9 million in 1996, when the company was listed on the New York Stock Exchange. Under Bain's ownership, the company also made a number of acquisitions, including writing products company SCM in July 1994, brand names from the American Trading and Production Corporation in August 1995, WR Acquisition and the Williamhouse-Regency Division of Delaware, Inc. in October, 1995, Niagara Envelope Company, Inc. in 1996, and Shade/Allied, Inc. in February 1997.[29] Ampad's revenue began to decline in 1997 and the company laid off employees and closed production facilities to maintain profitability. However, the company filed for bankruptcy in 2001 and the assets were acquired in 2003 by Crescent Investments. Bain's ownership of Ampad, is estimated to have generated more than $100 million in profit for Bain.[30]
Mitt Romney was CEO of Bain Capital until 2002.
You claim to denounce CNN, all the while you haven't a clue as to their fair and balanced reportiing airs and all of the pertinent info they air which the lamestreams deprive you of.
Did you mean Fox? This is an uncharacteristically full-throated defense of the mainstream media otherwise.

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crashfrog
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Message 154 of 308 (673339)
09-18-2012 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Kairyu
09-18-2012 3:07 PM


As a European I have trouble understanding how somebody who has made this amount of blunders is still a viable candidate for a presidental race.
What makes you think he's viable? Nate Silver's giving him an 8% chance of winning.
I mean he's still in the race because he has no choice, he can't drop out because at this point he can't be replaced. The party voted to nominate him, he accepted, and there's no do-over. He's the GOP candidate, end of story. People have donated money to his campaign and, legally, it can't be used for anything but campaign expenses. He literally cannot legally give up. He just shambles on to an almost certain defeat in November, hoping that Obama makes a mistake.
But Obama doesn't make mistakes. His opponents do. It's amazing how people fall all over themselves to let Obama win, isn't it? Jack Ryan? Alan Keyes? John McCain? And now Romney? You just can't make any money betting against Obama. The election was always his to lose, and that's exactly what Obama does not do - commit unforced errors and lose when he should have won.

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crashfrog
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Message 164 of 308 (673397)
09-18-2012 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Kairyu
09-18-2012 4:32 PM


By viable I meant he's still a serious candidate that, although not on a winning road, still has a reasonable amount of support behind him.
Well, he's "the guy" for the Republican Party agenda. Why would people who support that agenda stop supporting him?
To illustrate my point, a week or so ago a ''what would you vote in the US?'' poll was held in some countries in Europe, including here. If I recall correctly, Obama got 80% of the ''votes'', and Rommey about 5%.
Sure, but doesn't Geert Wilders run your Parliament? Sounds like you guys have your own experience with total nutbags winning elections.

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crashfrog
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Message 192 of 308 (673462)
09-19-2012 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Coyote
09-19-2012 1:41 PM


Re: The Fallacy of Redistribution
Food has always been scarce in the Soviet Union, even before there was a Soviet Union. Except for the Ukraine, the area's arable land is too far north to have much of a growing season.
It's not like starvation was something new that happened with Communism.

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crashfrog
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Message 197 of 308 (673474)
09-19-2012 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Coyote
09-19-2012 3:03 PM


Re: The Fallacy of Redistribution
To this extent?
Oh, don't get me wrong. The collective farm system was a disaster for Ukranian and Russian agriculture, and it happened almost just as Russian farmers had finally figured out the combination of practices necessary to get enough food from their land.
But it's not exactly something you can call "redistribution", and the failure of Ukranian farms wasn't from "farmers opting not to work any harder if the state was going to take their wealth", it was from the practice of collective farming where motivated, expert cultivators were murdered and replaced with unskilled labor from the cities.
Russia and the Ukraine were always on the verge of famine, and Communism pushed them over, no doubt. But that really has nothing to do with "redistribution" in any sense. The collective farm system wasn't about "redistribution", it was about a radical change in farm practices.

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Message 215 of 308 (673587)
09-20-2012 1:30 PM
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09-20-2012 12:34 PM



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Message 220 of 308 (673603)
09-20-2012 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by NoNukes
09-20-2012 2:07 PM


Re: Journalism at its finest.
I used to commute to DC everyday from the Northern VA and on most commuting days I read the Examiner on the way to work.
It's a great paper, isn't it? I mean, if it's raining and you need to keep dry during the quick dash to your bus stop.

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crashfrog
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Message 225 of 308 (673618)
09-20-2012 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Coyote
09-20-2012 2:59 PM


Yesterday a poster here was actually excusing and partially-denying the Stalin famines in the USSR
I think you'll find that what we were denying was your absurd interpretation that they were the result of "redistribution." I notice you omit that in your recap of the event.

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Message 229 of 308 (673641)
09-20-2012 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by NoNukes
09-20-2012 6:56 PM


Re: Journalism at its finest.
Why, it's a regular public fucking service.

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Message 241 of 308 (673746)
09-21-2012 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Coyote
09-21-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Time for a change...
(And please, rather than bash me for posting it, respond to the article.)
Well, if you insist. I'd start by pointing out that nearly everything Krauthammer mentions is actually domestic policy, not foreign policy. You can tell the difference because domestic policy is the stuff that happens inside US borders.
Further you can ask that Google review a video on YouTube by clicking a single button that is accessible to everyone.
After nearly four years of failure, is it not now time to try a different approach?
Four years of what failure? Osama bin Laden is dead; Al-Qaeda is in disarray. Zero attacks on US soil. Americans now have more trust in Democrats on foreign policy than Republicans. As much as this vile troll would like to lay events in the Middle East at Obama's feet, how is that anything more than Republicans blaming Obama for anything bad that happens, like when they blamed him for droughts in the midwest?

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crashfrog
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Message 260 of 308 (673826)
09-23-2012 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Coyote
09-23-2012 7:39 PM


Re: Time for a change...
while the other at least has some genuine accomplishments to his credit.
Right, it's not like Obama's ever been President, or anything.
Oh, wait.

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Message 271 of 308 (673839)
09-23-2012 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Coyote
09-23-2012 8:43 PM


Re: Time for a change...
The US government is the biggest "business" there is
No, this is exactly wrong. The US government, particularly at the Presidental level, isn't a business and it isn't run like a business. For instance, Congress doesn't report to the President and they don't take orders from him. In fact, they don't have to do anything.
That requires a very different kind of leadership. Romney has only ever led in situations where his authority comes with an obligation of his subordinates to obey. But Congress is subordinate to no one; leading the United States from the office of the President is a process of consensus-building, not a process where you simply hand down marching orders.
Contrast Obama's incredibly effective term as President with Romney's essential non-activity as governor, and you can see that Obama's experience has served him much better than Romney's. For that matter, look at their campaigns - Obama has yet to make a mistake, but Romney is dealing with defections, gaffes, mixed messages, and other symptoms of failing leadership at the top.
I think this has been proven over the last nearly four years.
Look, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The fact is, Obama is the most successful Democratic president of my lifetime, and yours. Maybe you don't like his agenda but he's been undeniably effective in getting it passed. The notion that Obama suffers from a "lack of leadership" is just another one of those contradictory things that conservatives keep trying to pin on him - he's the Chicago insider who's foreign birth estranges him from the idea of America, he's the messianic leader who no one will follow, he's the empty suit with the gift of gab who can't speak clearly without a teleprompter. None of it sticks because none of it makes any sense, unless you're trapped inside the "epistemic closure" of the conservative bubble.

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crashfrog
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Message 277 of 308 (673848)
09-24-2012 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Dr Adequate
09-23-2012 11:17 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Oo, that's a good one, too. Oh, and also - he's the guy who never stops working to undermine America but takes too many vacations.
Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

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