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Message 26 of 308 (671246)
08-23-2012 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Aware Wolf
08-22-2012 12:56 PM


Re: Get The Whole True[/i] Story From Fox
I guess it's theoretically possible that, if our freedoms were being stolen as you say, that some channels might decide to not report this due to bias. But wouldn't we notice the missing freedoms in our day to day lives? Wouldn't I only be able to buy books with a liberal slant, for instance, or only be allowed to buy a car with a traditional internal cumbustion engine if I offset it by installing a windmill on my roof? Something like that? I haven't noticed any such reduction in freedoms. Maybe I'm just dense. Maybe they'll hit me eventually. Maybe I'll show up to my voting place and find I can't vote without an ID or something. That would suck.
Added by edit: and let me beat you to it: yes, technically, because of the individual mandate I no longer have the freedom to not have health insurance AND not pay a penalty, both (unless I fall below a certain income level). I didn't think of that one because I'm neither stupid nor brave enough to try and go without health insurance.
I have a friend who works the oil fields on the north slope of Alaska. He actually has co-workers who dug pits in their back yards, lined them with plastic, filled it in with motor oil, and then dumped most of their gun collection into the pit, and then covered the whole thing. They were absolutely sure that Obama was going to take away their guns. Unbelievable . . . I know. It really happened.
I would just love to ask one of those guys if a G-man had been to their house looking for their guns. Sadly, they will be just as paranoid this election as the last. Republicans will use the same scare tactics and lies that they always use, and many will agree with them.

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Message 56 of 308 (671682)
08-29-2012 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Artemis Entreri
08-28-2012 1:35 PM


Re: More semantics from NoNukes...YAWN
Ignored him, blew him off, snubbed him, denied him, turned him down....really what is the difference? oh yeah you just post here on semantics, my bad.
What is really strange is that 50 years ago there was doubt that this country would elect a catholic Democrat. How times have changed.

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Message 64 of 308 (671701)
08-29-2012 4:32 PM
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08-29-2012 3:26 PM


Re: More semantics from NoNukes...YAWN
really? how have they changed?
Before JFK was elected many doubted that he would be elected because catholicism was seen as heretical by the religious right. Now we have the religious right questioning the religiosity of a candidate because he didn't immediately add a catholic leader as one of his speakers. That just seems like a complete about face over the last 50 years.

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Message 68 of 308 (671707)
08-29-2012 5:04 PM
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08-29-2012 4:43 PM


Re: More semantics from NoNukes...YAWN
And hopefully in my lifetime we will see an openly Atheist, Muslim or Jewish President.
Quite frankly, I am surprised that a Mormon candidate did so well. The Mormons were chased out of many midwestern states, and now a Mormon candidate for president is poised to win in some of those states. It would appear that people are becoming more tolerant of finer theological beliefs as long as views on other social issues align. It wouldn't surprise me if an anti-abortion, small government, anti-taxation on the rich, atheist Republican did well in a Republican primary. I think the Republican party is more secular than even the Republicans want to admit. It is no longer based on christian values. It is based on the rich getting richer which really doesn't sound like christian theology to me.
As Choaticskunk is showing, it really doesn't matter what Obama does. He will always claim that Obama is not good enough for him no matter what. Obama is evil if he doesn't let the Cardinal speak. Obama is evil if he does let the Cardinal speak. Go figure.

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Message 69 of 308 (671709)
08-29-2012 5:06 PM
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08-29-2012 4:43 PM


Re: No thanks man.
I know if I disagree with you I will be called names, and my words will be misrepresented and taken out of context against me. none of this will be noticed by the Admin, and then when I retaliate I will get into trouble because the Admin are in on the silly Charade of EvC.
I think you just described the Republican political strategy to a T.
It doesn't matter if Obama lets the Cardinal speak or not. Either way, you will call Obama whatever epithet is popular amongst the religious right this week.

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Message 70 of 308 (671713)
08-29-2012 6:25 PM


Look . . . over there!! It's a red herring!!!
I think Obama has done a good job of framing the debate going forward. Do you want to go with the Republican strategy of letting rich people hold onto even more money in hopes that they will use this extra money to create jobs while getting rid of social programs that protect the middle class? Or do you want to strengthen the social safety nets and increase the taxes on the most wealthy?
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the Republicans will want to reframe this debate into a long list of non-issues like the one that ChoaticSkunk brought forward. Instead of focusing on how to fix the national debt, healthcare, Medicare, Social Security, and defense spending we will instead spend time on discussing why Obama did not okay a catholic speaker in what Republicans consider a necessary time schedule.
Will the public keep falling for this bait and switch, dog and pony show that the Republicans put on each 4 years. It would appear so, sadly.

  
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