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crashfrog
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Message 241 of 308 (673746)
09-21-2012 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Coyote
09-21-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Time for a change...
(And please, rather than bash me for posting it, respond to the article.)

Well, if you insist. I'd start by pointing out that nearly everything Krauthammer mentions is actually domestic policy, not foreign policy. You can tell the difference because domestic policy is the stuff that happens inside US borders.

Further you can ask that Google review a video on YouTube by clicking a single button that is accessible to everyone.

After nearly four years of failure, is it not now time to try a different approach?

Four years of what failure? Osama bin Laden is dead; Al-Qaeda is in disarray. Zero attacks on US soil. Americans now have more trust in Democrats on foreign policy than Republicans. As much as this vile troll would like to lay events in the Middle East at Obama's feet, how is that anything more than Republicans blaming Obama for anything bad that happens, like when they blamed him for droughts in the midwest?


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Message 242 of 308 (673753)
09-22-2012 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by Coyote
09-21-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Coyote writes:
A foreign policy in epic collapse.

I think you must be talking about Mitt's speech on Libya. Indeed, that was an epic collapse. And Mitt's "47%" speech on economics was another epic collapse.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Dr Adequate
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Message 243 of 308 (673761)
09-22-2012 7:53 AM


47% Now A Reason For Voter Suppression
Here.

When asked about the voter ID law’s disenfranchisement of the 750,000 Pennsylvanians who cannot get IDs, Metcalfe cited Romney’s offhand dismissal of the 47% of the country who will never “take personal responsibility and care for their lives” as proof that those people don’t deserve the right to vote:

HOST: Are you absolutely convinced…that the methods to implement this law are effective and will in fact make sure no legitimate voter will be disenfranchised?

METCALFE: I don’t believe any legitimate voter that actually wants to exercise that right and takes on the according responsiblity that goes with that right to secure their photo ID will be disenfranchised. As Mitt Romney said, 47% of the people that are living off the public dole, living off their neighbors’ hard work, and we have a lot of people out there that are too lazy to get up and get out there and get the ID they need. If individuals are too lazy, the state can’t fix that.


  
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Message 244 of 308 (673767)
09-22-2012 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by crashfrog
09-21-2012 10:51 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Coyote writes:

(And please, rather than bash me for posting it, respond to the article.)

crashfrog writes:

Well, if you insist.

A well thought out response, but Coyote has yet to engage anyone who responds to his posts. Despite his complaints of being bashed, his posts have drawn substantive responses, but his explicitly stated position is that life is just to short to bother with discussion in a discussion group.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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Theodoric
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Message 245 of 308 (673769)
09-22-2012 9:49 AM
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09-22-2012 9:15 AM


Re: Time for a change...
A well thought out response, but Coyote has yet to engage anyone who responds to his posts. Despite his complaints of being bashed, his posts have drawn substantive responses, but his explicitly stated position is that life is just to short to bother with discussion in a discussion group.

What is it with fundies and wingers that anytime there is evidence opposing their POV, they suddenly have a persecution complex and accuse others of personal attacks?

Then we find out that they have no support for the crap they posted.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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ooh-child
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Message 246 of 308 (673773)
09-22-2012 12:18 PM
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09-22-2012 9:49 AM


Re: Time for a change...
Sometimes Coyotes just howl at the moon for no apparent reason. They tend to stir up the domestic dogs up here in the mountains, but we all settle down pretty quickly and get about our general business without having to shoot the howlers.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 247 of 308 (673777)
09-22-2012 2:53 PM


January 23rd, Mitt said: "I pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more. I don’t think you want someone as the candidate for president who pays more taxes than he owes."

And in August, he said "I did go back and look at my taxes, and over the past 10 years, I never paid less than 13 percent."

This is interesting, because thanks to our wonderful tax code, all he owed for the 2011 tax year was 12.2% of his income. What did he do? He gave the IRS an extra quarter of a million dollars he didn't need so much, so as to be consistent with one of the things he said rather than the other.

The couple chose to deduct only $2.25 million of their charitable contributions. The reason was "to conform" to Romney's statement last month that he never paid less than 13% in income taxes over the past 10 years, Brad Malt, a lawyer who presides over the Romneys' blind trust, said in a statement.

So, according to Romney, he's not the sort of person you want as candidate for President. Well, Mitt, you nailed that one. Though I'm still not sure that you understand the reason. It's actually because you're a giant douche.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 248 of 308 (673783)
09-22-2012 9:45 PM


Herman Cain Still Funny
Herman Cain has explained that if he was the candidate, he'd have a "substantial lead" over Obama. The reason? "The reason is quite simple: I have some depth to my ideas."

This from the man who solemnly quoted the lyrics to the theme song of the Pokemon movie as the work of "a poet" and was worried that China is "trying to develop nuclear capability", something which they've had since 1964. Yeah, Herman, you're a man of real intellectual substance.


  
Theodoric
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Message 249 of 308 (673803)
09-23-2012 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Coyote
09-19-2012 1:41 PM


Romney wants redistribute wealth too
quote:
Mitt Romney economic adviser Emil Henry tripled down on the GOP presidential candidate’s claim that 47 percent of Americans are “dependent upon government” and see themselves as “victims” because they don’t pay federal income taxes, during an appearance on MSNBC’s Up with Chris Hayes on Sunday. “You have a president who errs towards, in the very least, an entitlement society, a society of hand downs, a society of 46 million people on food stamps,” Henry said, adding that Romney opposes Obama’s efforts to “redistribute” wealth to those with lower incomes.

He then advocated for Romney’s tax reform plan — which he likened to a flat tax — of lowering the marginal rates by 20 percent across the board and limiting exemptions and deductions for the richest Americans, while providing the middle class with tax relief. “I have heard him say this 100 times and I know this for a fact, he says taxes on rich folks are not going to go down because of the elimination of exemptions,” Henry added.

But when Hayes pointed out the inconsistency of the charge, noting that taxes on wealthy people would have to come down substantially if Romney seeks to eliminate the “redistribution” inherent in America’s progressive tax code, Henry conceded that Republicans would also transfer wealth from one group to another:


http://thinkprogress.org/...an-would-redistribute-the-wealth

The whole economy is going to collapse.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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ooh-child
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Message 250 of 308 (673804)
09-23-2012 2:31 PM
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09-23-2012 2:05 PM


Re: Romney wants redistribute wealth too
Wisconsin's a swing state - I would find it fascinating to live in one of those areas.

What's your take on the ground, Theo? Will Obama win your electoral votes, & will it have some tug, down ticket? How's Tammy in your book?


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Dr Adequate
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Message 251 of 308 (673805)
09-23-2012 5:09 PM



  
onifre
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Message 252 of 308 (673814)
09-23-2012 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Coyote
09-21-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Time for a change...
After nearly four years of failure, is it not now time to try a different approach? As this essay points out, our foreign policy in the Middle East is a complete failure. Why should anyone expect anything different in a second Obama administration?

Coyote, you of all people, a man so hell bent on disproving bad science when it come to creationist arguements, really believe that going from one puppet to another puppet really makes any difference to us, the regular workers of this country?

Christ man, they are ALL doing the bidding of lobbyist and corporations. Why give a shit which one it is?

State and local elections are all that matters. Everything else is just a bunch of rich fucks trying to gain control of the White House to fill their pockets. Why on Earth would a person as smart as you buy into this crap?

- Oni


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Message 253 of 308 (673817)
09-23-2012 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by onifre
09-23-2012 7:15 PM


Re: Time for a change...
It is the lesser of two evils, agreed.

But one is proud of being a "community organizer" and a redistributionalist, while the other at least has some genuine accomplishments to his credit.


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xongsmith
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Message 254 of 308 (673818)
09-23-2012 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by onifre
09-23-2012 7:15 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Oni says:
Why give a shit which one it is?

Well, the women in this country might just have something to say about that.

I love women.


- xongsmith, 5.7d

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onifre
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Message 255 of 308 (673819)
09-23-2012 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by xongsmith
09-23-2012 7:41 PM


Re: Time for a change...
Well, the women in this country might just have something to say about that.

I love women.

That's just media propaganda to hype up voters. Republicans aren't going to make abortion illegal dude. NO ONE needs to get rid of unwanted children more than Republican politicians.

But again, it is the state votes that count for things like same sex marriage, abortion and legalizing pot. We should concern ourselves with STATE elections, that directly affect us. Not who becomes the leader of corporate America. That's just silly.

Still rings true today:

- Oni


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