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Zargon
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Message 36 of 285 (673742)
09-21-2012 9:22 PM


Intelligence
Creationists don't seem to know what Intelligence actually is:

They have this idea of an intelligent God which exists out side of space, time and the laws of nature. This understanding of an supernatural being completely contradicts our understanding of intelligence. Our human intelligence (We must remember that intelligence is a value or concept we apply to very complicated chemical systems and maybe soon, quantum mechanical systems) is the only known intelligence and it relies completely on the laws of nature. The choices we make are governed, when you delve deep enough, by quantum mechanics.

So how can a spaceless and time less God, beyond the control of the laws of science, be intelligent?

An intelligent God couldn't have created the Universe (absolutely everything, laws and all) because intelligence requires there to be a Universe (laws) in the first place.

The watch was created by an intelligent source: The Universe.


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Zargon
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Message 38 of 285 (673756)
09-22-2012 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Percy
09-21-2012 10:32 PM


Re: Intelligence
Well, yes. What can really exist beyond the laws of science?

"...the only intelligence we know of works within the confines of the laws of science..."

I did say that but what I was also trying to portray was the idea that intelligence is actually just apart of these laws. It almost sounds like I'm all for the programmed universe with one set of codes that we and everything around us (laws and all) exist in.


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Zargon
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Message 41 of 285 (673762)
09-22-2012 7:55 AM
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09-22-2012 7:27 AM


Re: Intelligence
Yes, I'm familiar with this point and completely agree. I feel that this point can be applied to my argument? Creationists only know of intelligence controlled by laws so creationists must claim that God is controlled by laws or claim that God is not intelligent and purely a natural event that created the Universe (Which follows scientific understanding).

This goes back to one of my original questions: So how can a spaceless and time less God, beyond the control of the laws of science, be intelligent? It (supernatural God) contradicts our understanding of the world.


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Zargon
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Message 43 of 285 (673771)
09-22-2012 11:51 AM
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09-22-2012 8:54 AM


Re: Intelligence
It doesn't matter. I don't think my point is valid in this thread anyway.
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