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Author Topic:   An Alternate Creation Theory: Genic Energy
Straggler
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Message 53 of 181 (672582)
09-09-2012 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by TheRestOfUs
09-09-2012 3:29 PM


Re: Not enough.
This alternative to the Big Bang that you are advocating - What predictions has it made and what discoveries have resulted as a direct consequence of the theory in question?

Can you name one?


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Straggler
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Posts: 10328
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Message 96 of 181 (672680)
09-10-2012 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by TheRestOfUs
09-09-2012 6:57 PM


Re: Not enough.
If you genuinely have some predictions directly borne from the logical consequences of creationist theory which have not only been verified but which have actually led to the discovery of new phenomena - Then that is more than any other creationist has ever achieved!!!

In order to assess whether this is the case or not would you care to pick the most impressive discovery you think has been made as a result of the theories you advocate so that we can analyse this specific one in detail?

TRoU writes:

Want more?

Rather than a 'Gish Gallop' I would prefer that we identify the one you think is strongest and look at that in detail. Pick one and then let's ask these questions:

1) What exactly does the theory say?
2) How exactly does it lead to the prediction in question?
3) Is the theory falsified if the prediction isn't met?
4) What new observable data did the prediction and it's verification result in (i.e. what was discovered as a direct consequence of the theory in question)?

So - Which of the discoveries you cite do you think is the most impressive vindicator of the theory you advocate?


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Straggler
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Message 114 of 181 (672716)
09-10-2012 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by TheRestOfUs
09-10-2012 4:52 PM


Re: Not enough.
I don't think you have any idea just how revolutionary the idea of creationists predicting new phenomenon and making discoveries as a result really is.

It is unheard of!! If your claims are true and stand up to scrutiny you will have achieved more than any other creationist I have ever seen here or anywhere else on the internet.

TROU writes:

"On the other hand SN1987A precisely fits the circumstances that would be expected if supernovae were powered by genic energy."

Did Laviolette discover SN187A and it's behaviour himself or did someone applying his theories discover this phenomenon by seeking the specifics of that which he had predicted? Can you explain exactly how SN187A and it's anomylous behaviour was discovered and the role of Laviolette's work in that discovery?

When Laviolette made his predictions did he provide any mathematical basis for calculating exactly how luminous (or any other measurable quantity) an example like SN187A would be based on his theory? Can we make a specific measurement which verifies the theory beyond any reasonable doubt?

TROU writes:

"On the other hand SN1987A precisely fits the circumstances that would be expected if supernovae were powered by genic energy."

If this isn't just a post hoc "I can explain an observation that seems anomylous to accepted science" but in fact a genuine prediction then this is very exciting. I look forward to your answer to the above questions.....


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