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Author Topic:   Immorality of Homosexuality
ikabod
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Message 52 of 218 (410971)
07-18-2007 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2007 8:15 PM


Re: Calling Out Nemesis Juggernaut
I don't think I do since the law derives from a moral framework. If it didn't come from a moral framework, laws would be completely arbitrary. If laws did not come from a moral reference, then we would have nonsensical laws, like, its illegal to twirl your hair while brushing your teeth.
so which moral absolute gives rise to the framework that creates laws that ..
.. prohibit someone riding on a bus due to the colour of their skin
.. that stops women owning property
..that makes it leagal to employ 12 year old childern in factories
..that robs someone of their landrights
..that makes membership of a certian political party a crime

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ikabod
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Message 91 of 218 (412760)
07-26-2007 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
04-17-2007 5:36 PM


well firstly you need to find a moral code the work from , dropping the bible annd any other holy books, dont leave much, your then stuck with cultural morsal ..most of which a religion based .
I can see where in some system homosexuality is deemed immoral as it is sex not for reproduction , but then the same code would make all forms of sex not between husband and wife for baby production as immoral , other wish prehaps in a culture where men and women largly live seperate lives ..where homosexuality is called immoral tio pervent "conflicts" with in the all one sex groups
beyonfd that is down to power and control with no reason

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ikabod
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From: UK
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Message 94 of 218 (412776)
07-26-2007 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Nuggin
07-26-2007 6:52 AM


Re: Moral codes
i think i may have not made myself clear
i totally agree with you about the bible , my point was that in most cultures the origins of their moral code , the keepers and enforces of that code are/were the religious offices of the culture , so by dropping the bible and other religious books you have difficulty finding any formally writen moral code .
Part of the problem western european culture has is the large ammount of time when the church was the only source of learning giving it great cultural infulance , thus setting the agenda for any moral views .
i would disagree with..
Morality develops out of philisophical stance.
.. it come much more from a need for society to control and regulate its members ..only once the society is stable under the moral code is there time/ room for philisophical reflect upon the moral code .
totally agree ref 10 commandment ... they are religious law , not a moral code
totally agree with you about the way in which the bible is used to say homosexuality is immoral ... for some reasons you pointed out re beards shellfish etc at the very least .. if you want to use the bible you cant just pick the bits that suit you ...secondly , im not aware of it being compulsary to follow the biblical religions ,and all of us being subject to biblical laws/ codes ...thus it nonapplicable
Edited by ikabod, : rewording

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ikabod
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Message 95 of 218 (412778)
07-26-2007 9:12 AM
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07-26-2007 6:54 AM


yep agreed , my point really is that reguardless of , if the holy book of {insertnamehere} is the divine data feed , or the constuct of mushroom eating , hemp smoking priests , its the cultures religion that takes the leading in making and running the moral code , becoming so intertwined as to become inseperatable .

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ikabod
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Message 99 of 218 (412989)
07-27-2007 5:33 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by ringo
07-26-2007 2:13 PM


Re: Moral codes
yep agrees ..
the only value these old historic moral codes have is to show how much we have changed , have reasoned slavery is wrong , beards , are shell fish , cloth of mixed fibres, working on the whatever day , is not a reason to go th hell, women should treated the same as men , and homosexuality will not cause the earth to open and swallow up the citie with liberal attitudes ....
oh and my local church has no use for 3/5 of a goat , a 1lb bag of selfraiseing flour and a 1/4 bottle of palm oil ....
and you can get away with shouting out "Thor is a wuss" in a thunder storm with out getting 40000amps running down your spine ...

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