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Author Topic:   A Proposed Proof That The Origin of The Universe Cannot Be Scientifically Explained
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Message 47 of 220 (674184)
09-26-2012 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Son Goku
09-26-2012 5:31 PM


This proof has no answer..thus what does it prove?
Son Goku writes:
In Hawking and Hartle's no boundary proposal, quantum gravity demands that eventually a universe will come into existence from absolutely nothing. So here you do have an origin of the universe, being produced from nothing. Although you could still ask why is "nothing" governed by quantum mechanical laws.
So you can have a scientific explanation for the origin of the universe from nothing, it's the presence of the laws you can't explain.
This topic is oddly fascinating!
Does this mean that the laws have always existed, and, if so, are they themselves "something"?
Son Goku writes:
I don't know how to articulate that there is nothing but the laws, which allow a material "nothing" to develop into a material "something". It's hard to picture only "laws" existing.
Does this mean that the final answer is in fact a question?

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Message 48 of 220 (674185)
09-26-2012 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by nano
09-26-2012 5:33 PM


How far can one really go when the destination is infinite?
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I would say "Go back farther with your mind. Go out farther into the multiverse." Logically, there had to be a "first thing" or a "something that has always been here".
Is it not logical that if we must journey an infinite distance, we may never find the answer?

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Message 188 of 220 (692075)
02-27-2013 4:51 PM
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09-27-2012 8:19 AM


Re: How far can one really go when the destination is infinite?
Well my point would be that there is an uncaused first cause.
I never toyed with infinite regress.

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