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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
You seem to support a totally illogical situation: You now are forced by the evidence to accept that eoigenetic changes, inherited to many generations, accompanied with a lot of regulating mechanisms, loaded in specific epigenetic genome places, sudenly due to a random mutation , that leads propably evolution to different direction, are all wiped out and go astray. What does that even mean? I really don't understand what you are trying to claim.... If that is not the mechanism you are trying to evidence, then why did you cite this paper?
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
The mistake is self evident.After a work of maybe thousant of ys, during which epigenetic changes were accumulated together with many regulatory mechanisms,sudenly by a random mutation that most propably leads to a different direction of evolution all is cancelled and so all the previous work done is going astray. That is the stupidiest thing for nature to happen.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
sudenly by a random mutation that most propably leads to a different direction of evolution all is cancelled and so all the previous work done is going astray. That is the stupiest thing for nature to happen. It's almost as if Nature had no cognitive ability at all! Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
sudenly by a random mutation that most propably leads to a different direction of evolution all is cancelled and so all the previous work done is going astray. That is the stupiest thing for nature to happen. It's almost as if Nature had no cognitive ability at all! Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
How is information flowing from the environment to my genome? It is easy to know. Just read about epigenetics.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
You still think empathy guides evolution, don't you? After all these years you haven't given up on it, have you?
It isn't time for it yet. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Where's the part where the information flows from the environment to my genome? i give you time to be able to vomit all rotten material inside you.On the opening post : I quote. As i said it is easy.Technology Review I The effects of an animal's environment during adolescence can be passed down to future offspring, according to two new studies. If applicable to humans, the research, done on rodents, suggests that the impact of both childhood education and early abuse could span generations. The findings provide support for a 200-year-old theory of evolution that has been largely dismissed: Lamarckian evolution, which states that acquired characteristics can be passed on to offspring. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Here are some links:
Read more: Page not found | TIME : Page not found | TIME I quote Why Your DNA Isn't Your Destiny By John Cloud Wednesday, Jan. 06, 2010 Read more: Page not found | TIME For deep evolutional changes in multi-cellular organisms, mutations on DNA to be beneficial, need to be prepared by epigenetic phenotype changes, which facilitate these types of mutation. In one cell and other of low organization evolution is endogenously forced by life momentum.The stress of fear, lack of food, lack of mating opportunities etc., are the main causes of soft or deep changes. As these stresses are empathetically transmitted not only to life peers, but to extant population in wild areas, and to proximal generations , the resultant beneficial mutations are fairly quickly established, reducing the time needed by natural selection to do its work. This long time effect is the main cause of speciation as it expresses deep survival needs. Beneficial mutations produce many variants, so selection process remains important. Differences between mono- and multi cellular organisms, in relation to frequency or ratio of random vs guided mutations. The guiding mechanisms found by Zhang and Saier in one cell organisms are evidence of more complicated such mechanisms in superior life types, where I think are much more common, given the complexity of that life. Randomness is used regularly by nature as an effective and maybe cheap mechanism for its scopes, so it can’t be thought anymore as a random process. More recently, however, researchers have begun to realize that epigenetics could also help explain certain scientific mysteries that traditional genetics never could: for instance, why one member of a pair of identical twins can develop bipolar disorder or asthma even though the other is fine. Or why autism strikes boys four times as often as girls. Or why extreme changes in diet over a short period in Norrbotten could lead to extreme changes in longevity. In these cases, the genes may be the same, but their patterns of expression have clearly been tweaked.(See the best pictures of 2009.) Biologists offer this analogy as an explanation: if the genome is the hardware, then the epigenome is the software. "I can load Windows, if I want, on my Mac," says Joseph Ecker, a Salk Institute biologist and leading epigenetic scientist. "You're going to have the same chip in there, the same genome, but different software. And the outcome is a different cell type." Read more: Page not found | TIME .
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
It doesn't matter if you think it is stupid or not. Random mutations is what the evidence indicates, and you have not presented any evidence that would lead us to consider guided mutations.
If the waste and the stupidity of the idea is proved over any doupt don't you think your pet Darwinian theory is in danger? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here are some links:Page not found | TIME : Page not found | TIME
I quote Why Your DNA Isn't Your Destiny By John Cloud Wednesday, Jan. 06, 2010 Read more: Page not found | TIME For deep evolutional changes in multi-cellular organisms, mutations on DNA to be beneficial, need to be prepared by epigenetic phenotype changes, which facilitate these types of mutation. In one cell and other of low organization evolution is endogenously forced by life momentum.The stress of fear, lack of food, lack of mating opportunities etc., are the main causes of soft or deep changes. As these stresses are empathetically transmitted not only to life peers, but to extant population in wild areas, and to proximal generations , the resultant beneficial mutations are fairly quickly established, reducing the time needed by natural selection to do its work. This long time effect is the main cause of speciation as it expresses deep survival needs. Beneficial mutations produce many variants, so selection process remains important. Differences between mono- and multi cellular organisms, in relation to frequency or ratio of random vs guided mutations. The guiding mechanisms found by Zhang and Saier in one cell organisms are evidence of more complicated such mechanisms in superior life types, where I think are much more common, given the complexity of that life. Randomness is used regularly by nature as an effective and maybe cheap mechanism for its scopes, so it can’t be thought anymore as a random process. More recently, however, researchers have begun to realize that epigenetics could also help explain certain scientific mysteries that traditional genetics never could: for instance, why one member of a pair of identical twins can develop bipolar disorder or asthma even though the other is fine. Or why autism strikes boys four times as often as girls. Or why extreme changes in diet over a short period in Norrbotten could lead to extreme changes in longevity. In these cases, the genes may be the same, but their patterns of expression have clearly been tweaked.(See the best pictures of 2009.) Biologists offer this analogy as an explanation: if the genome is the hardware, then the epigenome is the software. "I can load Windows, if I want, on my Mac," says Joseph Ecker, a Salk Institute biologist and leading epigenetic scientist. "You're going to have the same chip in there, the same genome, but different software. And the outcome is a different cell type." Read more: Page not found | TIME
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
It doesn't matter if you think it is stupid or not. Random mutations is what the evidence indicates, and you have not presented any evidence that would lead us to consider guided mutations.
If the waste and the stupidity of the idea is proved over any doupt don't you think your pet Darwinian theory is in danger? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here are some links:Page not found | TIME : Page not found | TIME
I quote Why Your DNA Isn't Your Destiny By John Cloud Wednesday, Jan. 06, 2010 Read more: Page not found | TIME For deep evolutional changes in multi-cellular organisms, mutations on DNA to be beneficial, need to be prepared by epigenetic phenotype changes, which facilitate these types of mutation. In one cell and other of low organization evolution is endogenously forced by life momentum.The stress of fear, lack of food, lack of mating opportunities etc., are the main causes of soft or deep changes. As these stresses are empathetically transmitted not only to life peers, but to extant population in wild areas, and to proximal generations , the resultant beneficial mutations are fairly quickly established, reducing the time needed by natural selection to do its work. This long time effect is the main cause of speciation as it expresses deep survival needs. Beneficial mutations produce many variants, so selection process remains important. Differences between mono- and multi cellular organisms, in relation to frequency or ratio of random vs guided mutations. The guiding mechanisms found by Zhang and Saier in one cell organisms are evidence of more complicated such mechanisms in superior life types, where I think are much more common, given the complexity of that life. Randomness is used regularly by nature as an effective and maybe cheap mechanism for its scopes, so it can’t be thought anymore as a random process. More recently, however, researchers have begun to realize that epigenetics could also help explain certain scientific mysteries that traditional genetics never could: for instance, why one member of a pair of identical twins can develop bipolar disorder or asthma even though the other is fine. Or why autism strikes boys four times as often as girls. Or why extreme changes in diet over a short period in Norrbotten could lead to extreme changes in longevity. In these cases, the genes may be the same, but their patterns of expression have clearly been tweaked.(See the best pictures of 2009.) Biologists offer this analogy as an explanation: if the genome is the hardware, then the epigenome is the software. "I can load Windows, if I want, on my Mac," says Joseph Ecker, a Salk Institute biologist and leading epigenetic scientist. "You're going to have the same chip in there, the same genome, but different software. And the outcome is a different cell type." Read more: Page not found | TIME
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
However, none of these mechanisms guide mutations. Pointing to epigenetics and DNA regulation does not evidence guided mutations.
I am not trying to show how epigenetics pave the way to mutations.Other well equipped scientists will be be able to do this. At present i am satisfied just to show the absurdities of the "classic" theory.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
You need to show how epigenetics guides mutations so that they are only beneficial and do not produce neutral or detrimental mutations. Where have you done that?
I many times had said that my theory allows the existance of neutral or deleterious mutations together with beneficial.Nor you ,nor as ST. DAWKINS did, can state a single case of randommutation leading to new species.so you are not to any advantagious place in relation to my theory. But in addition,you are in the difficult position of explainig that inpropable and totally unuderstandable waste, on the limit of the ubsurddity,of the epigenetic work that was taken place in each organism over thousands of years. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I many times had said that my theory allows the existance of neutral or deleterious mutations together with beneficial.
Then what is the point of guided mutations?
Compare the human and chimp genome. The differences between those genomes are the result of random mutations.
They equally well could due to the procedure of loose guidance.
That is an argument from incredulity. I don't need to explain your difficulty in accepting reality.
Reality is the big issue. How can we know it?
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Guidance is loose, just to restrict the needed number of random mutations. If you buy more lottery tickets does the lottery cease to be random? Based on what evidence? About metazoans, on the same amount of evidence you have for randomness, and with no any scientific obligation to to give any account of why such a usefull work done by epigenetics for many many years in a species has to be ignored by true science and and has to become useless and go astray .
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3641 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
We have reached the point where we behave as if we are deaf to each other. Theoretic arguments have not any impact.
I think it is better to talk with examples: elongated girrafes neck, being first an epigenetic change, then it came mutations that increased the number of spondyls etc. According to classic theory the mutations that increased the number of spondyls and all accompanying features (long first legs, loss of corns,etc) came one after the other randomly, without any regard to epigenetic reality and environmental pressure, untill they fit to existing phenotype, through natural selection. But again that means phenotype ( as the result of envionmental effect, is the real moto for evolution, the guiding force . Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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