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Author Topic:   The Simplest Protein of Life
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Message 9 of 281 (674747)
10-02-2012 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by BoredomSetsIn
10-02-2012 6:33 AM


BoredomSetsIn writes:

I am unaware as to how the bonds form, so enlighten me.


Consider a room full of children, each one holding a toy. As they mill about aimlessly, a child sees another toy that he'd like to have, so he reaches for it. But the other child won't let go and he, in turn, reaches for the first child's toy. Soon all of the children are "bonded" together in pairs, held together by the toys that both children want.

The children are like protons and the toys are like electrons and the pairs of children are like hydrogen atoms, bonded together by a pair of electrons that they both want.

And it all happens naturally. The probability that the bonds will form is 100%.


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Message 19 of 281 (674862)
10-03-2012 3:47 PM
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10-02-2012 7:28 PM


shadow71 writes:

Can you tell us how the protons, electrons and hydrogen atoms came into existence?


You're moving the goalposts. The topic is about making a protein out of TinkerToys, not about how to manufacture TinkerToys.

shadow71 writes:

The fallacy of your argument is that you assume everything happens naturally.
Do you have evidence for this natural origin?


It isn't an assumption. We're only talking about things that do happen naturally. Children fight over toys naturally. Atoms bond naturally. If you want to prevent atoms from bonding in their natural ways, you have to give them natural alternatives.

shadow71 writes:

What seems more logical, a planned reason for these events, or "well stuff happens" and we don't want to speculate about how it happened.


What's more logical is processes that we know about, not speculation about some unknown "planner".
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Message 273 of 281 (725137)
04-24-2014 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Ed67
04-24-2014 11:52 AM


Re: Not everything is random
Ed67 writes:

The code found in the nucleic acid base-pairs is pure information, TRANSMITTED BY MEANS OF CHEMISTRY.


A better way of putting it would be, "The 'code' found in the nucleic acid base pair is pure chemistry which happens to transmit information."

Pure chemistry is not, of course, strictly random. A and B will always react the same way (given the same conditions). The A in ABRACADABRA reacts the same as the A in A.


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