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Larni
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Message 48 of 281 (675713)
10-15-2012 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-14-2012 9:26 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
Life is a system of death-avoiding machines, Percy. Your suggestion that the putative ancient proteins were less of an intricate affair implies that death could be more merciful at any place and time than it is known to be presently. That is, requiring fewer tricks to cheat. Is that possible though? The cat thinks not. Full intelligence is needed to do the job. So life must be smartly organised of necessity. Always.

Well done. Defining life by stating it is not it's opposite. Get some extra tuck from matron.

A more symple system is harders to break than a complex one. You have things backwards. So life does not need to be smartly organised. Always.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 50 of 281 (675718)
10-15-2012 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 7:21 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
It's about active remembrance of staying whole.

Can I add this to my sig?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 57 of 281 (675737)
10-15-2012 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 10:41 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
No it's not. It is just about chemicals replicating with error.

The concept is likely to be not even wrong.

What?

Why don't you stop using needlessly prosaic phrases? People only do that to try to sound clever or because they are hopeless twats.

Edited by Larni, : Last sentence.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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Message 64 of 281 (675751)
10-15-2012 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 11:50 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Are you taking the piss? Your taking the piss, arn't you?

You must be taking the piss.

Well played.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 65 of 281 (675752)
10-15-2012 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 12:31 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
It's got memory better than yours.

Support this with evidence, not drivel.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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Message 73 of 281 (675768)
10-15-2012 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 3:34 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
What does any of that have to do with abiogenesis?

Is English not your mother tongue?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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Message 76 of 281 (675773)
10-15-2012 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 5:05 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
None of which has anything to do with the topic.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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 Message 75 by Alfred Maddenstein, posted 10-15-2012 5:05 PM Alfred Maddenstein has not yet responded

    
Larni
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Message 82 of 281 (675803)
10-16-2012 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-15-2012 5:35 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
Okay. I'll phrase it as a question.

What does your drivel about time and distance have to do with abiogenesis?

Please try to answer the question.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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Message 92 of 281 (675827)
10-16-2012 12:05 PM


Does Alfred M remind any other old timer of Brad?

I can't make head or tail of either's posts.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 100 of 281 (675865)
10-16-2012 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-16-2012 4:12 PM


Re: brains washed thin
Can't you please just talk like a normal person? Please.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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 Message 97 by Alfred Maddenstein, posted 10-16-2012 4:12 PM Alfred Maddenstein has not yet responded

    
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Message 122 of 281 (675983)
10-18-2012 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-17-2012 4:31 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
Your guess is that it was abiogenesis. Fine. Mine is that it was pre-existing life arriving on rocks and comets. Face it, your guess is as good as mine.

So you beleive panspermia is the best option for where life on Earth originated from.

Why could you not have just stated that clearly many, many long winded, meandering, self absorbed, meaningless post ago?

I would have said 'fair enough'.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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Message 137 of 281 (676087)
10-19-2012 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-19-2012 12:29 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Come on, give it a try at least. What is the age of time is an idiotic question.

Why?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 146 of 281 (676168)
10-20-2012 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by ICANT
10-20-2012 1:16 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Can you support that?

For example, does radioactive decay only occur after people appeared?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
 Message 143 by ICANT, posted 10-20-2012 1:16 AM ICANT has responded

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Larni
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Message 154 of 281 (676220)
10-20-2012 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by ICANT
10-20-2012 11:05 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Time is a dimension.

Are you saying length is a human construct?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
 Message 149 by ICANT, posted 10-20-2012 11:05 AM ICANT has responded

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Larni
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Message 181 of 281 (676312)
10-21-2012 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-21-2012 4:42 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
Probably the cat needs to chew and re-chew it all out for you lot.
You can see full evidence of individual life starting from other life and you see ample evidence of individual life ending. That is all. Extrapolating from this that life as such had started rather than it had been continuing as the evidence suggests, and calling that a fact is cheating. Your projection is a legitimate guess and no more. That is the scientific method you need to learn.

The stupid: it burns.

I'm done talking to a brick wall.

Edited by Larni, : More polite phase


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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