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Message 254 of 281 (724971)
04-23-2014 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Ed67
04-23-2014 9:34 AM


Ever heard of the sharpshooter fallacy?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 257 of 281 (724980)
04-23-2014 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Ed67
04-23-2014 9:34 AM


Ed67 writes:

I like when numbers come into this discussion.

Ooooo, I like numbers, too. Let's have a bit of fun with some, shall we?

I'm going to assume that you are 40 years old. That means you were born in 1974. In 1974 the world population was 4 billion. That means the odds of your parents randomly breeding with one another were 1 in 4 billion.

If your parents were 14 when they had you, they were born in 1960 when the world population was 3 billion. That means the odds of your grandparents randomly breeding to create your parents was 2 times 1 in 3 billion.

If your grandparents were born in 1927, when the world population was 2 billion, the odds of your great grandparents randomly breeding to create them was 4 times 1 in 2 billion.

The odds that you were born are 1 in (a hell of a big number, probably a lot bigger than 1 followed by 552 zeros). Therefore, you could not possibly exist and I don't have to argue against any of the patently absurd things you say because you aren't here to say them. What's more, you can't even respond to this argument because you don't exist.

(I picked the years I did for ease of calculation simply because they were round numbers, not to cast any asparagus at you or your family. Please don't get your knickers in a twist over the fact that I suggested your parents had you at age 14. If you push everything back a few years, the math gets more complicated but the general point is still valid.)


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 265 of 281 (725122)
04-24-2014 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by Ed67
04-24-2014 11:10 AM


Ed67 writes:

the texas sharpshooter
You cherry-picked a data cluster to suit your argument, or found a pattern to fit a presumption.

Nope. That's not the sharpshooter fallacy, at least not the one I was referring to.

The sharpshooter fallacy gets its name from the story of the person who went into the woods, shot a gun, hit a tree then went and circled a target around the bullet where it ended up and pretended he hit his target.

Your argument assumes that the Ribonuclease protein was an intended result without providing any proof that it was.

Also, as others have pointed out, the calculation that the OP contained, if it calculated anything, shows the odds of the Ribonuclease protein coming together in one fell swoop, all of the constituent parts fusing into one at the same instant. Since that isn't how science believes chemistry works, the calculation is meaningless.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 277 of 281 (725203)
04-24-2014 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Ed67
04-24-2014 11:43 AM


Re: One Fell Swoop? Why not?
The calculation was intended to prove that the odds against the Ribonuclease protein forming without intelligent intervention are so long that one must infer the intervention of an intelligence. Since science does not claim that the protein formed in one fell swoop, a calculation showing the odds against it coming together in one fell swoop have nothing to do with the claim that intelligence is not involved.

This idea is not particularly confusing. If you are unable to follow this line of reasoning, it's unlikely you will be able to follow much of anything that anyone says here.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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